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The Pilgrims tried Communism – it didn’t work.

Bryan Fischer

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When we point out that neither Socialism nor Communism have ever worked, their supporters simply smile indulgently and say, “Well, that’s just because the right people haven’t tried it yet.”

On that count, they are just plain wrong. Communism had its purest test in the earliest days of American history, and was an abysmal, abject, utter failure. And it was tried by a small group of people who were committed to each other, devoted to God, and were hard-working and industrious. If this crew couldn’t make it work, nobody’s ever going to make it work.

Our Pilgrim forefathers landed near Plymouth Rock in the fall of 1620. They had left England aiming for the Virginia colony, but were blown off course and landed in Massachusetts instead. Left on their own, they established their own form of government and their own economy.

The form of government they established is enshrined in the Mayflower Compact, which was the first constitution in America established by the consent of the governed. It thus became the model for our federal Constitution and for the constitutions of the individual 50 states.

Here’s how the Mayflower Compact began (language modernized, emphasis mine throughout):

In the name of God, Amen. We whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread sovereign Lord, King James…having undertaken, for the the glory of God, and advancement of the Christian faith, and honor of our king and country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia…

In the presence of God, and one of another, covenant & combine our selves together into a civil body politic…to enact…just & equal laws…as shall be thought most meet & convenient for the general good of the Colony, unto which we promise all due submission and obedience…

In witness whereof we have hereunder subscribed our names at Cape Cod the 11th of November, 1620 A.D.

It’s worth observing, as data points in the conversation about whether the United States was founded as a Christian nation, the frequent references to God and the explicit reference to the ultimate purpose of the colony being to promote and to advance the Christian faith in parts unknown. God’s calling on America (a column for another day) is to fulfill the Great Commission of Christ, “to make disciples of all nations” (Matthew 28:19). The Plymouth Colony was committed to doing its part, and set this noble goal for all settlers who were to follow them to our shores.

Not only did they establish their own form of government – essentially a constitutional republic – but their own economy as well. As a “company” colony, Plymouth Plantation operated under bylaws established by the Virginia Company of London.

These bylaws set up a communal system for the Pilgrims, in which all capital and all profits for the first seven years were to remain in “the common stock.” There was no such thing as private property; all property and all business activities belonged to the collective with none of it belonging to individuals or individual families.

During these seven years, “all profits & benefits that are got by trade, traffic, trucking, working, fishing, or any other means of any person or persons remain still in the common stock.” Everyone was “to have their meat, drink, apparel, and all provision of the common stock and goods.”

Then, in this utopian scheme, at the end of seven years “the capital & profits, viz. the houses, lands, goods and chattels, be equally divided betwixt the adventurers and the planters.”

It, just as communism does today, sounded ideal and noble and well, Christian. It would be share and share alike, everyone putting aside his own aspirations for the accumulation of wealth and property in order to selflessly devote all his energies and talents to the common good.

But it wasn’t ideal or noble, or even Christian. It was Marxism before Marx, and like all socialistic and communistic systems, due for an agonizing and spirit-crushing collapse.

Governor William Bradford, in Of Plymouth Plantation, did not hesitate to describe the experiment as a “failure.” And he made it clear that the failure was not in the people but in the system. “The failure of that experiment of communal service, which was tried for several years, and by good and honest men, proves the emptiness of the theory of Plato and other ancients, applauded by some of later times,- that the taking away of private property, and the possession of it in community, by a commonwealth, would make a state happy and flourishing; as it they were wiser than God…”

Communism, in other words, was a display of arrogance and human conceit, for it was predicated on the silly belief that man knows better than God. The result was predictable. Said Bradford:

…[C]ommunity of property was found to breed much confusion and discontent; and retard much employment which would have been to the general benefit…

For the young men who were most able and fit for service objected to being forced to spend their time and strength in working for other men’s wives and children, without any recompense...

“The strong man or the resourceful man had no more share of food, clothes, etc., than the weak man who was not able to do a quarter the other could. This was thought injustice.

The aged and graver men, who were ranked and equalized in labor, food, clothes, etc., with the humbler and younger ones, thought it some indignity and disrespect to them.

As for men’s wives who were obliged to do service for other men, such as cooking, washing their clothes, etc., they considered it a kind of slavery, and many husbands would not brook it…

Hmmm. Except for the “confusion, discontent, injustice, indignity, disrespect, (and slavery” that communism produced, it was paradise on earth.

Bradford hastened to explain that if you were looking for the “right people” to implement communism, these were the right people:

If all were to share alike, and all were to do alike, then all were on an equality throughout, and one was as good as another; and so, if it did not actually abolish those very relations which God himself has set among men, it did at least greatly diminish the mutual respect that is so important should be preserved amongst them.

Let none argue that this is due to human failing, rather than to this communistic plan of life in itself…”

So, if the “communistic plan of life” was an abysmal failure, what would replace it? Bradford explained that the Pilgrims discovered that capitalism was the answer.

God in His wisdom saw that another plan of life was fitter for them…

So they began to consider how to raise more corn, and obtain a better crop than they had done, so that they might not continue to endure the misery of want…

At length after much debate, the Governor, with the advice of the chief among them, allowed each man to plant corn for his own household

So every family was assigned a parcel of land, according to the proportion of their number…

This was very successful. It made all hands very industrious, so that much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been by any means the Governor or any other could devise, and saved him a great deal of trouble, and gave far better satisfaction.

The women now went willing into the field, and took their little ones with them to plant corn, while before they would allege weakness and inability, and to have compelled them would have been thought great tyranny and oppression.”

The “communistic plan of life” inevitably requires a more and more powerful state to enforce it, since it runs counter to the very grain of our God-given humanity. Soon, an all-powerful state replaces an all-powerful God as the object of a society’s worship and veneration, and the horrors of a totalitarian state unleavened by the purity of the gospel soon manifest themselves.

We have just passed the 100th anniversary of the Bolshevik Revolution that brought Communists to power in Russia. Similar forms of oppressive, godless states sprang up in China, Vietnam, and in North Korea where a little tinpot dictator threatens the peace and stability of the entire world. Even in Germany, Hitler replaced pictures of Jesus with pictures of himself and drew his power from the occult rather than from Christ.

The human cost has been enormous. There is one thing that all godless, totalitarian states share in common, and that is dead bodies. Historians estimate that over 100 million lives have been sacrificed over the last century to the idolatrous god of communism.

So on this Thanksgiving, let’s include a word of gratitude for our Pilgrim forefathers, who saw “beyond the years…alabaster cites gleam(ing), undimmed by human tears.”

And let’s join in prayer on this Thanksgiving Day that God will once against shed his grace on us, and crown our good with brotherhood from sea to shining sea.

Bryan Fischer is a senior columnist for Cowger Nation, and the radio host of Focal Point, where he provides expertise on a wide range of public policy topics.

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  1. Wingnut

    February 12, 2018 4:30 am at 4:30 am

    Hi

    We ALL see the pyramid scheme symbol on the back of the USA one dollar bill. We ALL see the servitude infestation in capitalism. We ALL see the “pay up or lose your wellbeing” Chicago mob-like felony extortion widespread within capitalism. We ALL see the “join or starve” felony extortion done to the 18 year olds… by this ugly competer’s church called capitalism. We ALL see how forcing competer’s religions onto 18 year olds, and/or LURING them into it with bling-dangling and promises of empowerments… kills membership in the cooperator’s church (Christianity/socialism).

    We ALL understand that AmWay (American Way) (New World Order) got “the exclusive” (legal tender) on the TYPE of survival coupons (money) accepted in supply depots (stores) and leverages 18 year olds into the organization via that felony activity. (It puts AmWay-coupon slaving requirements called price tags… on all the survival goods). We ALL understand how sure-to-collapse farmyard pyramids work… from our childhoods. Upper 1/3 are “heads in the clouds” while the kids on the bottom ALWAYS GET HURT from the weight of the world’s knees in their backs. And, we ALL see how such systems are illegal, immoral, and just plain sick.

    We American Christian socialists are patiently awaiting the natural fall of the pyramid-o-servitude, or the busting of the free marketeers felony… by the USA Dept of Justice. We Christians are VERY CLOSE to issuing a cease and desist order until the servitude and inequality goes away… which means it turns into a commune. Commune is a word we LOVE when used in the word “community”… but its one the caps HATE when used in the word “commune-ism”. Go fig. PROGRAMMED!!

    Do a Google IMAGE SEARCH for ‘pyramid of capitalist’ to see a full color picture made way back in 1911, when capitalism was first discovered to be a con/sham instigated by the Free Masons/Illuminati. Folks sure bought into the thing… hook, line, and sinker just the same. The caps didn’t even check if a string was attached! Now THAT’S easy fishing, eh?

    Time to level the felony pyramid scheme called capitalism. Abolish economies and ownershipism worldwide, and hurry. Economies just cause rat-racing, and rat-racing causes felony pyramiding. BUST IT, America! Look to the USA military supply/survival system… (and the USA public library system) for socialism and morals done right. Equal, owner-less, money-less, bill-less, timecard-less, and concerned with growth of value-criteria OTHER THAN money-value. Quit doing monetary discrimination immediately, and make it illegal. There are MANY measurement criteria of “value”… not just dollars. Try morals, efficiency, discrimination-levels, repairability, etc etc. Economies are cancerous tumors, and to cheer for their growth… is just insane. Profiting causes inflation, so if caps LIKE inflation, and if they LIKE a terrible time in afterlife when they meet the planet’s ORIGINAL OWNER before caps tried to squat it all with ownershipism, then keep it up with the felony pyramiding. I dare you. While us Christians are finally bulldozing that pyramid scheme back to level, lets make servitude and “join or starve” (get a job or die) illegal in the USA, and lets level the architecture seen in USA courtrooms, too. Right now, USA courtrooms are church simulators or “fear chambers”, by special design. Sick.

    Isn’t that back-of-the-dollar pyramid… a Columbian freemason symbol? And WHERE is the USA gov located? District of Columbia? (Not even part of the USA!) How much more blatant can ya get? The “Fed” runs a pyramid scheme called the free marketeers. If you’re using the “federal reserve note” certificates, or using no-other-living-thing-on-the-planet entitles of ownership, you’re bought-into a servitude/slavery con/sham… called capitalism. Pyramiding 101.

    Larry “Wingnut” Wendlandt
    MaStars – Mothers Against Stuff That Ain’t Right
    (anti-capitalism-ists)
    Bessemer MI USA

  2. David H.

    February 12, 2018 8:53 pm at 8:53 pm

    Until the King of Kings is ruling with a rod of Iron, your schemes will end up in chaos and anarchy which the freemasons and the Lawless ones love, for out of chaos comes order, their world order. Until you acknowledge the problem of sin and mankind’s fallen state, your ideals are Naïve at best and utterly detrimental at worst. Capitalism has done more to lift people out of slavery/ serfdom than any other economic system, Ask the people of Venezuela, and the People of the former Soviet Satellite states how poor and in chains they really were.

    I suggest you get up off your Mama’s couch and get a Job and start a family and take some responsibility for your life….In other words, Grow up!

  3. Wingnut

    February 13, 2018 8:21 am at 8:21 am

    Hi, thx for the reply.

    I take that you think… that the price tags that block access to survival supplies… weren’t created by capitalism? Look around yourself. Do you see those “blockades” doing any “lifting”? Not around me, but perhaps around you.

    And, can I assume that everyone being part of government, and thus being able to create laws against unfairness, monetary discrimination, and monetary terrorism… is outside of your conception?

    And isn’t it strange that capitalism promotes competition (as opposed to cooperation) EXCEPT… in allowing competition between different types of legal tender money from many different money printers? Why? Because allowing more than one type of legal tender money… would kill capitalism RIGHT NOW. Capitalism/Federal Reserve needs to maintain “an exclusive” on the type of allowed money. That’s too much rationing control over well-being. But do you care? I doubt it.

    Lastly, no, I’m age 60 and won’t be joining your highly-immoral pyramid scheme… called capitalism. You go right ahead, though. I prefer to stay clean… and keep my morals and intestinal fortitude intact, thanks. I am well grown-up. Are you well WOKE-up and de-blindered?

    “Jobs” are slavery/servitude slots… where you WILL take orders, OR ELSE. Nice.

    Keep in mind that “communalism” (community) is not the same as the socialism and communism that you have been indoctrinated into believing is the ONLY kind that exists. I can guarantee… that when EVERYONE has a say/vote about every government issue… laws will be made to prevent unfairness and monetary discrimination/terrorism.

    Not a single other living creature on the entire planet… uses economies/ownership (false-idol-worshiped green papers). Do you think that is some kind of giant hint? DUH!

    Per our (your) “own” OWNership laws… the original owners of the Earth materials that were used to create every item on the planet… must be consulted as-to whether/not those materials CAN be owned/sold. Were the original owner(s) of Earth materials… ever consulted? No. You can’t even find them, in order to ask them. Thus, all ownership is illegal.

    Now, what do you want to argue about? I got the evidence against capitalism. I’m pretty sure I could get a cease and desist order on it, if I really want to… and if I can get to a courtroom without being killed first. I would need a leveled courtroom, without false deity in robe “on-high” and without choir/jury also elevated higher than litigants). I need a de-pyramided courtroom.

    Yep, capitalism is quite the bought-into religion… but it’s goin’ down, either by we anti-caps pulling the rug out from under it, or by top-heaviness. All pyramids collapse. Capitalism is on its way down. Let’s watch it together, eh? You caps can do your Us vs. Them blaming/warring as you watch it crumble. We communalists will continue to laugh at you, while we bandage the crushed folks at the bottom of your pyramid’s rubble.

    Be ready. Hear the bricks crumbling? Sure ya do. That’s the sound of a new, more Christian-like era… blooming. You’ll love it.

  4. David H.

    February 13, 2018 10:04 am at 10:04 am

    Quote: “Thus, all ownership is illegal.”
    Response: Cool, I am coming over to your place with fifty of my friends and we will share your house, and eat your food for you, since you don’t own it. I do live in Michigan after all and am part of your “commune-ity”… so please give me your food as I sit on my rear in your basement not working or doing my part in the community.

    It really does not matter how old you are, the Phrase “grow up” can still apply to you, because you have been stunted in your growth and never taken responsibility for your own actions, Just like so many of your neighbors up in the UP who live off the dole of others (Known as welfare, and the government handout) and sit there and think they are doing their part to bring about communism. All you are really doing is enslaving yourself to the government handout, therefore you are more under than the control of the “pyramid scheme” than you think. Because this is the truth that you are Naïve to, that communism equals slavery. Ask any former resident of communism, and or Venezuelan today.

    Now Let us look at your communist Library system that you hold up as an ideal. Who pays for the Library? Tax payers. How is it that they are ABLE to pay taxes? Because they have jobs and earn money, and have property that is taxed. Who is it that writes the books for the library? People who are doing so to make money, earn a living. They Own their product, The book, and for me to steal it and make my own copies is against the Law (Plagerism). Would they even write the book, if there was no ownership or money to be made? I doubt it. That is the death spiral of communism, and it has happened over and over again from ancient history to today. Just like the Pilgrims above, society dies in the hands of the communists.

    Look at your communist heroes as well. They were/are filthy rich. Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Chavez, Castro, That annoying fat man from Flint who did that Roger and Me movie, BHO, Clinton’s….etc.
    Go and try to commune with them, and see where you end up….

    So I will say to you again, GROW UP!

  5. Wingnut

    February 13, 2018 5:07 pm at 5:07 pm

    🙂 Yup, that’s correct. It wouldn’t be “my place” or “my stuff”. I am simply the current ‘custodian’ of those Team Earth-owned things. But there’s no reason to take my survival supplies and tiny used/shared luxuries, because you can ‘requisition’ your ‘own’ (custodian’d) supplies and tiny used/shared luxuries.

    But YOU do the location/custodian transfer paperwork for Team Earth inventory management, ok? If you take the shovel, tell Team Earth Tool Crib of the transfer. (Simple, eh? Military-like. All vehicles come from motor-pool, too, and we can only customize them in ways that can be easily removed at end of life-cycle). Same with housing… and housing-pool.

    This is very much like the USA military. All basic needs… free… and built REAL tough and reparable, never landing in a dump.

    You keep raising the question… “Who will pay for it?” and the answer is… Team Earth. There are no more price tags, no more costs, no more money. There is no forcing people to work for great causes… only ASKING them to do so. AND… all work-sites, as much as possible… will have a party atmosphere. VERY enjoyable to be at, and no stress/dead-lining/or-elsing. Objective: “GET TO” go to work, instead of “HAVE TO” go to work.

    Government handout? In the “new commune”… everything is a government handout, and a hand-in, and we are each members of government. We use our computer networks to wire-up the most amazing “decision-by-committee” system ever devised, which includes all the knowledge bases needed to learn about ANY issue that is decided/voted-upon. Can’t make an informed vote without knowing the issue thoroughly, right?

    The decision-by-committee system (everyone has a say that is heard/weighed)… is a monster… and will require LOTS of love. So will “World Needs TV” which continuously broadcasts who/where on Earth… are in most need of volunteer labor/expertise. (Necessities only, no luxuries on World Needs TV). The airlines fly workers/experts to high-need projects… all for free, of course.

    Can you imagine it up? Motivational speakers will be everywhere, begging people to volunteer at the places of most need, or study study study, or… get off your asses and do SOMETHING helpful for a FEW hours per week, eh? There is no forcing people into labor… only asking. Forcing/Or-elsing… is felony extortion/terrorism.

    There, I painted up a little more of my hopes and dreams. Ridiculous, right?

    Still, the caps will have no choice. It is inevitable that the world move to a resources-based survival/supply system. No alternatives seen.

    Society will not die in the hands of us Christian-ish (altruist) communalists…if we all don’t let it. We’re all smarter than that.

    Thx for that tango, Michigan person. I think the Borg have you a bit assimilated, but trust me… resistance is NOT futile. Jump of your religion’s pyramid for a moment, and stand off to the side with us anti-caps, and watch it for awhile. It’s truly a ridiculous rat-racing self-foolery get-a-leg-up festival. What a pile of face-down snorting addicts! Amazing.

    PS: I don’t know WHAT to think about Michael Moore. I’m glad they don’t have him censored, though. Critical thinking aloud (with amplification)… never hurt anyone. Nobody has ever invited ME onto a talk show or in-range of a radio mic. Too loony, I suppose.

  6. Wingnut

    February 13, 2018 5:26 pm at 5:26 pm

    I guess I should clarify…
    Under communalism (an intentionally gray term, so it doesn’t get any of your old baggage applied)… the economic part of society… WILL die.

    Forsaking (not giving a crap) levels… will plummet.

    Morals levels of society… will skyrocket. Logic levels… through the roof. Waste management… more wonderful than ever. Happiness levels… in the clouds.

  7. David H.

    February 13, 2018 8:51 pm at 8:51 pm

    If everyone will be so willing to volunteer in your system, why is it you need motivational speakers, and is that not akin to admitting that work is NOT very enjoyable?

    I personally see working to feed your family and take responsibility for your own actions and to support oneself and one’s family as the most moral thing anyone can do on this earth…. It is known as independence, and Liberty, the absence of which is either anarchy, or totalitarianism…. dictators are very “Motivational speakers” ask the German’s Ca 1933-1944.

    So, My reply to you to you and your Utopian world is, No thanks…. so what happens then? I go to a re-education camp, as HRC suggested?

  8. Wingnut

    February 15, 2018 10:11 am at 10:11 am

    Yes, that’s right. Motivational speakers are for the “refuse to contribute anything” -folk, but they are also “attaboy” generators… patting workers on the backs and recognizing the super-workers with national TV interviews. Hard working volunteers are the new heroes.

    And, yes, not all jobs are easy to make fun, are they? These are the jobs that need to have plenty of relief-help, to the hard things are widely shared (as in, try not to make anyone do crappy work… for more than an hour per day, or maybe per week.

    Volunteering for difficult labor… will make you a TV star and a mentor to hero-seeking children. It’s a completely different way of operating… very much like daily life on a military base. Everyone is on the same “commune-ity” team (during non-combat situations).

    You would be allowed to not-participate, of course. But you’ll want to participate. It won’t take long for you to see how much more loving, fair, kind, logical… this new commune system is…. than the current tug-o-warring, green-paper-worshiping, US vs. THEM rat-racing/warring system.

    Currently, in free-marketeering-coupon land, what percentage of worldwide hopes, dreams, opportunities, experiences, enjoyments, adventures, etc… are blocked by “affording”. How any hopes… are labeled “infeasible” and thus their enthusiasm fire quickly doused… because of monetary “means”? I’m figuring about 95% of all hopes… are killed by “affording”. Is this what you want for your kids? “Get some green coupons, OR ELSE you get no opportunities/enjoyments.” In other words, join the free marketeers green-paper rat-racers, OR ELSE.

    But yeah, all in all, the new system would not en-force anything, other than its new equality, fairness, and felony extortion (no or elsing) laws. You would certainly be free to be a non-participant, and you would STILL have all your family’s survival needs and basic happiness needs… provided by Team Earth. You wouldn’t even be denied temporary custodianship of luxuries, check-out from the Team Earth Luxuries Pool. (Just like recreational services in the military.) Those luxuries are cared-for by Team Luxuries.

    Team Luxuries is NOT quite as covered by Team Earth Heroes TV as Team Sewers is, but it’s still an important job for Team Earth happiness levels. As always, with luxuries, moderation is very important, because enjoyment addiction is easily possible.

    To be frank, I don’t expect to be an expert at the new resources-based system. There are inventory management people that blow me out of the water. Everyone has a say in the new communes, and that will get a PILE of ideas, improvements, experts, helpers… always inbound.

    I have many more ideas for Team Earth, but most of them are military-base-like… and not my ideas. Yes, it takes many capitalists and much money to make a military base operated in such an equal-basic-rights/supplies-for-all way. But does it need-to have a money-based underbelly? Can a team of motivated, enthusiastic, happy volunteers… support that way of life? I think yes. Most other think no.

    But still, I believe we have no choice. I don’t foresee capitalism/competing being useful anymore. The sponge has been wrung-tight and the weight of the world’s knees in the backs of the bottom layer pyramiders… is too intense. Get a leg-up systems only go just so far… and they collapse. Try building a horizontal system instead of a vertical. No orders, no ordering (either kind)… no or-elsing, no servitude. You have no choice. Capitalism is dead. Too many crushed on the bottom, the very same reason why ALL childhood playground pyramids-o-children… ALWAYS fall and kids get hurt.

    Nice of you to chat with me about these things, though. I appreciate the increased kindness in your replies.

  9. David H.

    February 15, 2018 6:15 pm at 6:15 pm

    So Who is going to volunteer to do team sewers work, when they can instead choose team luxuries? I mean, the division of Labor is such that no kid grows up and wants to be a sewer cleaner or a garbage man, and no one want to volunteer for this work…. So the only choice is coercion… a drill Sargent hollering out orders to do this or that. That is the reality of the military system that you speak so highly of as being egalitarian, when in fact it is authoritarian with a chain of command (AKA Pyramid of people saying. “or else”).

    What I see your utopian ideas as being are just simply unrealistic, and not taking into consideration the nature of Man, which is evil and sinful. Even when Jesus Christ comes to rule in the millennial reign, he will do so with a rod of iron.

    Now on to psycho analyze You. You have a problem with Authority, and a problem with submitting to authority. When I was in rebellion, as so many of us do coming out of indoctrination universities that feed us this Utopian garbage, I too had a problem with Authority and being told what to do. I respect that you value your liberty enough to not want to submit to authorities of the World, But what I found in life is that the Most liberating thing one can do in life is to Submit to Authority of the Lord Jesus Christ. In Taking His Yoke upon you, we are truly free from the World and find True rest from our work/works. I can assure you, this is where you will find your utopia, in submitting to His will over our will. His Kingdom is a spiritual Kingdom, that will satisfy your soul. He will give you living Water, and you will never thirst again, and the bread of life that will satisfy your Hunger. All you need to do is to receive this free gift he offers to all, and that is to Believe That Jesus died for your sins, Shed his Blood to atone for them, and Rose again that you might have Life eternal with Him. This is the need in your life that you need to acknowledge, and then you too can become part of His Kingdom, which is not of this earth. Or You can continue in your Carnal search for utopia that will never work in a sinful world full of sinful people, who will never bend the knee to the wonderful Gift He has given us. Watch the video below.
    God Bless.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7k5VWeDNFE

  10. Wingnut

    February 16, 2018 10:38 am at 10:38 am

    Ahh, you’re Christian! Cool. A bit more fundamentalist-sounding that I like to “wear”, but what the heck. And yes, you have me analyzed rather well… I hate to see ANYONE being forced. Forcing is illegal (felony extortion) and immoral. Freedom-killer.

    Team Garbage and Team Sewer get on Heroes TV all the time, so the kids DESPERATELY want to grow-up to be heroes like those guys/gals on TV. Easy. And, they really ARE heroes. Again, we try to have lots of “relief help” for nasty jobs… minimize the hours endured by swapping workers often. Also, there is no monetary deadline. Worker/worksite happiness (including safety/hunger/health, etc) is given 50% consideration, and doing a great job is given 50% consideration. There is no timeline/rush. If folks are put in peril via the sewer outage, they are quickly bused to new temporary residences.

    Why? Because… just like the military… we all have now realized and agreed… that to hurt ONE member of “team”… hurts ALL of “team”.

    Now, about drill sergeants. Mostly, that’s in basic training… 6-weeks or so. Still of that during technical training (first year). After that… the worksites are just like civilian worksites. One staff-sergeant or higher… in-charge of directing the workflow… but everyone is trained and knows what needs to get done… and how to do it. Military worksite supervisors most stand-around and tell stupid stories and bad jokes. Sometimes they fetch materials for the work team. Generally, they are worksite spear-headers.

    Ever hear-of a phenomena called Treehouse Teaming? No supervisors, no orders, but usually ONE “wild-idea idiot” who convinces lots of others… “C’mon, let’s go build a treehouse for all the neighbor kids!”.

    Well, his/her enthusiasm is contagious, and pretty soon there is Some John Phillip Sousa music playing, and an all-volunteer workforce begins what might be the greatest treehouse EVER! All started… by a spearheader. A motivational speaker. A hoopla-master! With me? These things are related to the “colors” and “spirit” of the military and civilian parades. If you are a proud member of Team Food, you get to wear the Team Food colors on your uniform/civies. And ANYONE who wears Team Sewers colors… gets nearly hugged to death going-about their average day.

    But yep, I know what you’re thinking. Colors/ranks are just another way of making a pyramid/servitude earn’n’deserve system just like capitalism. But the respect will be voluntary, not forced. It’s similar to the elders in a tribe. They are treated with high-respect and held in high-esteem… because they are wise or fun or old or… valuable (mostly for storytelling).

    All in all, Team Sewers and Team Elderly Care… would be given TONS of parades… and are held in the highest esteem. Our TV networks are all over them… shining spotlights on all the wonderful things they do… and the kids…. ADORE THEM. We’ve set a whole new set of “values” for the kids… and they are GOOD ONES. Agree? How could ya not? 🙂

    Now, about this “lay back into the recliner of God” thing… I can’t do that. I cannot forsake. I HAVE TO give a crap about everything. So, if you were stuck/honored giving a crap ALL THE TIME, what would you choose to give a crap about? How about World Health Org ~ 20,000 preventable age 0-5 deaths PER DAY? Is that about the most atrocious thing happening within Team Earth right now? I’d say so. Cause? Forsaking.

    I can’t look-away. I have to TRY to do something about this. Any less, and I would be forsaking (not giving a crap about what is happening on MY planet). It is MY planet as much as it is anyone’s. So, I say… this child-crushing pyramid scheme… has to go. Get it off my planet.

    Very mom-like, eh? Or… farm gramma… comes storming out of the farmhouse and paddles some children’s butts for stacking the kids into pyramids. 🙂 That’s me. Notice my first “form-” post… is “scolding”, like a gramma to some out-of-control pyramiding billing-each-other-with-$fear$ children. Spanking time. Moral spanking.

    You mentioned “nature of Man”. From the little I’ve studied “human nature”… I think there is a very gray line between human nature and learned behavior. I believe MANY things that are blamed on human nature… are ACTUALLY learned behavior. It’s a MONSTROUS area of study. In general, I believe “chalking something up to human nature” is a type of commonly-used hand-washing / responsibility-shirking (yet another form of forsaking).

    Thx for the reply. You have a LOT of good concerns and have pointed-out some potential logjams. Good. Thanks for taking Wingnut’s Utopia for a test-drive… I appreciate it. I think you were able to envision it. Excellent. Most can’t. Comment lots more, if you wish.

    I wonder what would happen… if The Pope, on national TV… pointed to this thread and said “these guys got the right idea” 🙂 Wouldn’t that be something? (dream, drool, sigh).

    “Unrealistic”, David says. Yep, not yet “real”. Coming soon. 🙂

  11. David H.

    February 17, 2018 10:39 pm at 10:39 pm

    Blessings to you “wingnut”, Unfortunately, You will never discover the peace that surpasses all understanding if you are too concerned with the carnal things of this world to pay attention to the things of God. You see the carnal things of this world will not last.
    But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. (2 Peter 3:10)
    Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. (1 John 2:15)

    Whatever religion you ascribe too, obviously is not Christianity. All you are doing in placing priority of the worldly over the “Love of the Father” is worshipping the creature over the creator, which is merely a form of Idolotry. In Marxism, this is known as materialism, and is the reason why all communists have a problem with Christianity.
    Here is another video for you to watch from the same preacher. You may want to heed this warning as there is no utopia there for you.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCnQQLUJHb8

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  13. Wingnut

    February 18, 2018 8:57 pm at 8:57 pm

    Hi again.

    David said “Whatever religion you ascribe too, obviously is not Christianity.”

    Thank goodness that YOU are here to define for me… what is Christianity. Wow.

    haha. No thanks. I’ll stick with my own version of Christianity… the one that dictates that God is in all of his creations (and therefore to love his creations is to love God).

    But, in general, I don’t buy-into the Christian dogma and rituals. Not interested. I have higher priorities and purposes… a Christian-like “outreach”. You’re certainly free to NOT “outreach”, of course.

    But, I’m an out-reacher. Sorry if that disappoints anyone. If your doctored Bible is correct, my outreach will lead me to God, anyway, so all is good.

    Some of us do Christian-like outreach and are knee-bandaging/hugging “moms” of the Earth, and some don’t/aren’t. That’s just the way it is. I hope we’re allowed to have that freedom, per your version of Christian rules/doctrine.

    I have a demented little pyramid-of-children to bring to a stop. You… do whatever it is you do, and may the Earth creators bless you in your endeavors, if indeed they have any powers to bless anything. Be well.

    • David H.

      February 18, 2018 11:24 pm at 11:24 pm

      Quote:
      “haha. No thanks. I’ll stick with my own version of Christianity… the one that dictates that God is in all of his creations (and therefore to love his creations is to love God).”
      Response:
      Wingnut, I am not saying this to be mean, but your Panentheistic god, is not the God of the Bible, But rather Lucifer masquerading as an angel of light. That is to worship the creature over the creator is akin to taking God off of his throne and placing his creation thereupon, which is merely a form of idolotry. This is Just like How Israel took a blessing, the brazen serpent, given by God and began to worship it over God itself.

      He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan. 2 Kings 18:4

      Rom 1:22
      Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

      Rom 1:23
      And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

      Rom 1:24

      Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

      Rom 1:25
      Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

      Now I freely admit that we need to be good stewards of God’s creation, and his creation can be blessing if we do so, But that line is crossed when we begin to worship it. In Marxism this is known as materialism, and is the “religious” component of Marxism, as I pointed out earlier. I Am so sorry you have fallen victim to this deception, and that is why I am sharing this with you. This is not for me to put myself on a pedestal, but to pronounce the Truth of the Word of God, and the Gospel that saves us humans from the condition of sin. It is this condition of sin that makes “Nature groan”….

      Rom 8:20
      For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

      Rom 8:21
      Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

      Rom 8:22
      For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

      And if you really want to be an “out-reacher”, then it is this condition that you must address first and foremost, and you cannot do this until you understand that the creator came down to earth and took on the form of a man in order to redeem that creation by His substitutionary sacrifice on the cross. And He is the Only way to Worship the creator, By believing in Him, and HIS WORK on the cross to save you. Our works are as filthy rags, and without Him, we can do nothing.

      Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
      I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. John 15:4-5

      This is not dogma, but rather the Word of God. Jesus saith unto him, I am the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6)

      I Will be praying for You. Blessings.

  14. Wingnut

    February 19, 2018 7:09 am at 7:09 am

    Hi again. I don’t trust the Bible very much, so, I’m not sure if your quotations are having the impact upon me… that you hope they would. Still, I read each one and think about it. Thanks for the effort.

    David, I’m quite sure you have the terms/meanings of ‘love’ and ‘worship’… confused with each other. I love the world and its creatures/creations, but I don’t worship it/them.

    John 3:16 For God so loved the world… etc.

    To be frank, if God so loved the world, it wouldn’t have let its children succumb to worshiping the false idols of money and entitles of ownership. Seeing that God doesn’t appear to be doing any direct intervention in the runaway compete-a-thon, then that task is apparently delegated to God’s creations and their hearts.

    And that’s exactly my approach vector… the hearts (heartstrings) of the people. I will show the out-of-control capitalism-addicted/participating children… in neon… the many transgressions they do to each other… by rat-racing on get-a-leg-up pyramids.

    My quest… is driven by the Earth creators, since love is the fire behind my quest. Lucifer is incapable of love, so that source is ruled-out. Besides, I would have to see some proof that this “Lucifer” exists at all, just like I need proof of God’s existence, too. I believe there ARE Earth creators/planners/designers, but I am rather reluctant to label these creators as ANYTHING Christian.

    Christianity was/is subject to massive distortions and over-hoopla across the ages, and has just never come to any noticeable fruition. The churches are dying/dead… because they haven’t lived-up-to the promises made within them.

    Investigations of religions… by children of Earth creators… have deemed it to be a crock of llama snot. The fundamentalist Christian theories about how the Earth came to be…. just don’t hold-up to scrutiny. Claiming that the Bible is the word of God, who sits in a throne on high (above)… is full of holes and likely its reputation is not reparable.

    But darn, I sure appreciate your prayers… that’s a loving thing to do for another. May I ask that you also direct your prayers toward the people of the planet who are caught-up in a money/bling addiction, partially caused by a lack of a sense of empowerment. Pray that the followers of capitalism… finally quit placing orders, fulfilling orders, or invoicing each other with pay-up-or-else billings. Or-elsing is terrorism. Pyramiding is monetary discrimination…. servitude… exploitation… extortion. Disgusting.

    I don’t need the Bible to show me the miraculous manifestations of the Earth creators. The miracles/indicators are all around me, within nature, which includes the people. If God were watching ‘over’ us, I and the other AC’s wouldn’t need to clean up this mess called capitalism.

    I sure hope the churches/religions get behind my nun-with-a-leather-spanking-strap endeavor. Christians still have the abilities to be altruists and clear-sighted in seeing differences between fair/unfair (love). I could use their help, fundies or not. Now, and after the pyramid falls, we need many bandages and hugs for the crushed. Have you ever wondered about the reason for the existence of the great pyramids? Perhaps… to tell us that this “reality” is about pyramiding… and THIS reality’s lesson… is about WHY to disallow them.

    Best regards.

    • David H.

      February 19, 2018 7:18 pm at 7:18 pm

      Wingnut,
      I have warned you here and now, and you will have no excuses come judgment day of the darkness you have promoted. I say this not form a political point of view, But rather from a spiritual one.

      Just so you know, the word of God is the Most authenticated book in all of human History, and the Book that has faced the most attacks as to its credibility, Yet It has stood the test of time. No Other book from History has as much verification and as much evidence to back up its accuracy and veracity….NONE, ZERO, ZIP, NADA. Science is also proving the veracity of the creation account even now as we speak, and which is why the “pyramiders” are trying to come up with all sorts of alternative theories to explain away the creator God, such as “ancient aliens”, and the like, But as the atheists like to say to us Christians, “Who created the [demi-]god[s]?”

      As for the church, it is not a building or a denomination. What you see as being dead, does not even come close to the true Body of Christ. And Soon, that true church will revive again, as the King of Kings comes to rule with a rod of iron, and then EVERY one will see him coming in the clouds with great glory with a multitude of saints ready to Judge the people of this world, including little old you.

      My Job is done, I have warned you, and your blood will not be on my hands come judgment day.

  15. Wingnut

    February 21, 2018 7:27 am at 7:27 am

    Now your God is terrorizing me? Trying to convince of something, via fear? Nice! What a loving God you have. NO THANKS!

  16. David H.

    February 21, 2018 6:09 pm at 6:09 pm

    Phl 2:10
    That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

    Phl 2:11
    And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    Rev 6:15
    And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

    Rev 6:16
    And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

    Rev 6:17
    For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

    I am so sorry wingnut if the word of God offends you, But those are the warnings given therein. But remember, there is good news in there too, That is the free gift of salvation, given in Love By The Lord to those who will receive it.

    For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Rom. 6:23)

  17. Wingnut

    February 22, 2018 11:16 am at 11:16 am

    Not offended. Laughing at the threats/terrorism attempts, though.

    That’s the words of a book, not the necessarily the words of a God. Have God visit the Earth, prove its worthiness to be a God, and then maybe I will listen to the threats of its “wrath”. I’ll need to see its wrathing credentials.

    Ever ponder that MAYBE you are worshiping a book instead of a God? *shrug*

    All in all, I would like to stay on-topic, if possible. The topic is survival systems and resources management… reducing those W.H.O. death numbers. Let’s talk about that. Thx.

    • David H.

      February 22, 2018 7:22 pm at 7:22 pm

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e87iPHsQH1s

      The Apostle Peter was an eyewitness to the Life of Jesus, Who was God in the form of a Human. He Saw all and knew all there was to Know about Jesus, and His life. But even He said the following:

      “We have also a more sure word of prophecy” (2 Peter 1:19a)

      What this means is that Prophecy is Proof of the Hand of God in the inspiration of the Word of God. The following link has a list of Hundreds of prophecies from the Old testament, which predates Jesus and there is hard physical evidence to prove this fact via the dead sea scrolls.

      [url]http://www.accordingtothescriptures.org/prophecy/353prophecies.html[/url]

      I Do not worship a book, I worship the author of the Book. This is my testimony, and I Know the Word of God is true, because I have tried to prove it wrong without any success, and mind you I come from a skeptical philosophical background. The “book” as you call it was written by many authors over thousands of years, yet it all points to One Person, Jesus Christ. Philosophy negates itself in the next generation of thinkers, as a new wave of philosophy comes along. Same thing with Politics, and Social sciences. They all move in revolutions over time, But the Word of God is a cohesive whole.

      Let’s look at politics, since this is what you are fond of. Politics is a response to the very condition of sin that I discussed earlier. Some rule by fear, others by intimidation, some by manipulation, and some by promoting self interest…. All of these systems, including yours is motivated by a hierarchy with authority, The absence of which leads to anarchy. Even your system has “motivational speakers”, and of course re-education camps (Which you will not admit to) for those who are, shall we say less motivated. That is because at the heart of all of this is the problem of sin. It does not matter how “pleasant” you make your utopia sound like, it will always descend into either anarchy, or despotism. History proves this.

      Look also at some of the cults out there. Jim Jones was Loved by the socialists because of his social justice preaching. He led a bunch of followers to Jonestown to form His utopia, much like your utopia…everything was common to all the people, and everyone shared in all the tasks. He was their “motivational speaker” so to speak. And eventually He led them to Mass suicide.

      Look also at heaven’s gate, same thing.
      Look at Germany in the 1930’s, Hitler Motivated the Germans to do all manner of atrocities.
      Look at Islam, they rule by intimidation, and demand submission.
      Hinduism has a caste system to “motivate people” to do the menial tasks.

      Bottom line, there is only one authority and one Kingdom, to which we submit to, and can belong that will free Humanity from the problem of sin, and that Kingdom is found at the foot of the cross where Jesus dies to save us from sin. There is no other way to find true peace.

      Finally, You yourself, and the Post-modern world are a fulfillment of New Testament prophecy. I Have now quoted numerous verses here, that point directly to You, and others that point to the whole LGBT stuff that is going on in society. It even speaks of the churches becoming powerless and dead, as many of you “scoffers” accurately point to. And even the televangelists that con people out of money in the name of God. If this is your view of what it means to be a Christian, then I can understand why you would not want to become one… I Know I would not want that. But the True “Body of Christ” is not a building, or cathedral, or a denomination, or a ministry, it is a group of People who join together as one to worship their King, in a spiritual Kingdom. By so doing, we are given the Light of the Holy Spirit, which shines in this world as a beacon to others to escape the Problem of sin.

      So I will ask You, How is it that your utopia overcomes the problem of sin, whether that is the sin of the unmotivated ones, or the sin of the Motivational speakers who over time become the dictators? There is no avoiding this as History has proven this over and over again.

  18. David H.

    February 22, 2018 7:24 pm at 7:24 pm

    sorry, I Put the url’s in on the second link, here is the link.

    http://www.accordingtothescriptures.org/prophecy/353prophecies.html

  19. Wingnut

    February 23, 2018 8:57 am at 8:57 am

    D: The Apostle Peter was an eyewitness to the Life of Jesus, Who was God in the form of a Human.

    W: Did that book tell you that? The book could be BS. I’ll need a REAL, currently-credentialed investigative team to check it out. I hope it’s ok with your creed… to investigate your creed.

    D: Prophecy is Proof of the Hand of God in the inspiration of the Word of God.

    W: Not good enough proof for me. Perhaps for you, though.

    D: …there is hard physical evidence to prove this fact via the dead sea scrolls.

    W: Prove this FACT? You sound a little pre-decided.

    D: …it all points to One Person, Jesus Christ.

    W: Do you have any open-mindedness to the theory that the POSITION of “Christ” was help by many different people? Or is that door welded shut, too? Why am I talking about religion when I am trying to save starving/forsaken children? How did we get onto this tangent yet again?

    D: Philosophy negates itself in the next generation of thinkers, as a new wave of philosophy comes along. Same thing with Politics, and Social sciences. They all move in revolutions over time, But the Word of God is a cohesive whole.

    W: If you are convinced of that, great. I’m not. Got something tangible? I want to her the voice of God… in good ol’ tangible audio. Can your miracle worker do THAT simple task? No. Perhaps get Mr. Cowger to teach God how to use a microphone? 😉

    D: Let’s look at politics, since this is what you are fond of.

    W: No, not really into politics. Survival systems and fairness, more. Morals and logic. It’s actually a science. Generally, politics just screws-up the paperwork that stands in the way of getting the job done. So, we just push that aside and get to work on the forsaking problem. Probably… it starts with Atrocity TV… 24 hours a day of preventable dying, in living color. (biggest problem…. keeping the camera operating from continuously crying and calling a halt to the entire spectacle). Sad. But… it’s own-up time.

    D: Some rule by fear, others by intimidation, some by manipulation, and some by promoting self interest…. All of these systems, including yours is motivated by a hierarchy with authority,

    W: No no. Motivated by love, logic, and moral considerations. Inventory management considerations. Logistics. Feeding and caring for (Team Eaerth) troops in remote places. It is somewhat powered-by ‘intestinal fortitude’ but I don’t know if that is the correct term. It is a morals compass built into each human. Sometimes it asks questions and requests guidance. SOME Christian “stories” and blow-hards… exploited those “how did we get here? What is our purpose” inquiries… in an attempt to impose doctrine. Capitlaism tried the very same blowharding and railroading, but we anti-caps busted it, and exposed it.

    D: Even your system has “motivational speakers”, and of course re-education camps (Which you will not admit to) for those who are, shall we say less motivated. That is because at the heart of all of this is the problem of sin.

    W: Yep, sin = not following morals compass… which is taught during childhood (by parents AND local social interactions). In Wingnut’s Utopia, there will be NO 180 degree reversal of policy… from share share share…. to fight fight fight… when the kids turn 18. In capitalism land, that is the current policy… 180 degree share/compete policy reversal at age 18. Nice. And the re-education camps would be… our very loving and teachy prisons… for those who break the (fairness/love) laws.

    D: It does not matter how “pleasant” you make your utopia sound like, it will always descend into either anarchy, or despotism. History proves this.

    W: You’re so easily proved, eh? You’ll see. No previous attempts at communes… had a communications system like WE now have… where we can hear people scream in pain… anywhere on the planet. Forsaking has a much wider scope, these days. It is MUCH more difficult to wear the forsaker’s blinders or the forsaker’s rose-colored glasses. There will be some new “intense”-levels of “owning up”, soon. When you can see and hear the child’s pain on your internet cameras/mics… it’s a whole new kind of heartstring pull. Shockingly powerful.

    D: Look also at some of the cults out there. Jim Jones was Loved by the socialists because of his social justice preaching. He led a bunch of followers to Jonestown to form His utopia, much like your utopia…everything was common to all the people, and everyone shared in all the tasks. He was their “motivational speaker” so to speak. And eventually He led them to Mass suicide.

    W: Yeah, that was terrible. Very sad. We must use much more wisdom, compassion, and alternative ideas than was exercised in that situation. We just plain don’t let it go there. We’re better than that. Supposed Christian spearheaders do the same crap… hoopla a group of lost sheep into a delusion of nothingness (take ’em for a railroading). But at least these Christian holy-roller yappers don’t drive the church bus off a cliff, thank something.

    D: Bottom line,

    W: I’ll determine my own bottom line, thanks.

    D: there is only one authority and one Kingdom, to which we submit to, and can belong that will free Humanity from the problem of sin, and that Kingdom is found at the foot of the cross where Jesus dies to save us from sin. There is no other way to find true peace.

    W: Have fun buying into that… I won’t stand in your way. Meantime, I got some kids to rescue. Want to help? Then get on subject and generate some REAL ideas. I need tangibles, not pie-in-the-sky goo. I need to stop the forsaking festival. Don’t help me if you don’t want-to, but I got work to do. We just don’t have time to pontificate about elves and faeries right now. 🙂

    D: (about bad things seen within certain xtian denominations) If this is your view of what it means to be a Christian, then I can understand why you would not want to become one… I Know I would not want that.

    W: I am one. I consider myself Christian (-ish). Of the many “doctrines” that were shoved down my throat and up my butt… during my childhood years of “Sunday School” (a re-education center run by xtians), some of those doctrine were logical and wise. Those… stuck with me. I still carry those doctrine with me, and I am Christian… via that carried policy. Prove I’m not. You can’t, give it up.

    D: So I will ask You, How is it that your utopia overcomes the problem of sin, whether that is the sin of the unmotivated ones, or the sin of the Motivational speakers who over time become the dictators? There is no avoiding this as History has proven this over and over again.

    W: You go ahead and work-on fighting sin. I have screaming kids to prevent… via removing the massive forsaking seen in Team Earth survival/resources management systems. I have to stay on-target so… if the world blows up because I am trying to prevent some infant deaths, too bad. I doubt that my outreach… caused the explosion, though.

    Party on. Thx for the comments.

  20. David H.

    February 23, 2018 6:56 pm at 6:56 pm

    W: I am one. I consider myself Christian (-ish). Of the many “doctrines” that were shoved down my throat and up my butt… during my childhood years of “Sunday School” (a re-education center run by xtians), some of those doctrine were logical and wise. Those… stuck with me. I still carry those doctrine with me, and I am Christian… via that carried policy. Prove I’m not. You can’t, give it up.

    Response: If You were a Christian, a True born again believer, We would not even be having this debate. But instead you choose to mock God and the Word of God.

    RE: History proves this over and over again.
    I Gave you concrete examples of some people with utopian beliefs, such as yourself, and what they eventually lead to. That is because they do not address the problem of sin, both in themselves and the people that join them. Capitalism, on the other hand, does address the Problem of sin and uses it as the motivation for the population. Granted unchecked capitalism can and has gone too far in the past as well, Much of that is the result of the secularization of society which removes God from the Public square, and the Higher authority that we all must answer to. When that happens Money becomes the god they serve (in [money]god we trust), and things like greed, and swindling people out of their money becomes commonplace, not to mention ill treatment of those who work for them, and the wages kept low by constantly having cheap labor flood the market via open borders, and the dumbing down of the population through public schools (common core, post modernism, etc.)

    If you really want to help the less fortunate (or the forsaken as you call them), the best way to do this is to bring God back into the public square which in turn will make capitalists answer to a higher authority, and then we through our success can begin to lift others that have been forsaken out of their hapless state. Lest you forget, NO OTHER economic system has done more to raise the standard of living of the growing populations around the world than the capitalist economic system. This is a fact. What we see in socialism and communism is stagnation and not opportunity. Just look at the European countries such as England, where there is a perpetual underclass, and a upper class. Or communism where there is Hunger and poverty. Take a look at North Korea, children there eat grass just to survive. Or Venezuela where food is scarce despite the resources the country has. All because their utopia descended into despotism. They are in turn forced to worship their “motivational speakers” and Christians are thrown into jail, beaten and killed for Worshipping almighty God. So These are all the reasons I say “no thanks” to your utopian system, which will never work.

    Let’s take a look at the “successful” socialist countries in Europe as well. What do they have that makes them work?
    Northern European countries are successful for three main reasons, a thriving singular culture, exploitable natural resources, and The protection of the NATO, via the United States of America… meaning they can spend their money elsewhere than national defense. Take those three things away, and those countries will become impoverished and the lives of the people hardscrabble…. Again, History proves this…. And before you mock my understanding of History I lived in one of those countries as a child, and know what it is like through my parents first hand accounts.

    Without the Morality that comes from the Christian world view all civilizations will descend into despotism or anarchy. Even the early republics such as Greece and Rome had a “slave class” of bondmen and women doing the menial labor. That is why History changed after Christ came to earth. This is one of the biggest Proofs if you will of the Power of the cross, Society as a whole began moving from bondage to freedom… (Going backwards here) The civil War in the U.S. marked the virtual end of worldwide slavery as an economic system, which was brought into being by Christian abolitionists such as John Newton (Amazing grace) …The Monarchs of the Europe called the American revolution the “shot heard round the world”, Led by Churches who saw the exploitation of the colonists by the European powers, marking the beginning of the end for colonialism … before that we had a Christian monk nail 95 theses on the door of a church which began the overthrow of the hegemony of the Papacy….. all the way back to fall of Rome, the despotism of despotisms, which was led by Christians that became such a large group that even one of the emperors of Rome saw the utility of the Faith (Constantine)…. Is capitalism and the united States God’s Kingdom? By no means, But it is one of the steps in the right direction That all nations must take in the direction of Liberty…. Because without liberty, virtue cannot realize its full potential (this is a philosophical point from the field of ethics.) That is because coerced obedience is not righteousness and virtue, but rather conformity…. Just like your manipulated obedience through Motivational speakers and advanced communications is not virtue. True virtue only comes when an individual has the freedom to choose both good and evil, and chooses to do the good…. capitalism with God does this unlike any other system before it, because it frees humanity from servitude and serfdom, to independence and self sufficiency, which puts the burden of morality on the individual. Do You understand this????

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What the Roy Moore campaign reveals about the character of the GOP

Bryan Fischer

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Reams of ink and gigabytes of pixels have been spilled by folks wringing their hands over the Roy Moore election in Alabama and what it reveals about the lack of character in the Republican Party. These pundits furrow their brows and droop their eyelids over this sad state of affairs, that the family values party would allow the presence of an accused “child molester” like Moore on its ticket.

Well, they are right that this abysmal election season has revealed an appalling lack of character in the Republican Party. But it’s in a way that is just about polar opposite of what critics are claiming. The moral weaknesses that have been exposed are not in Roy Moore but in the Republicans who are running their swords through Moore like Brutus and his buddies over the fallen body of Caesar.

Their rush to sit in judgment on Moore is immensely disturbing. Before all the facts were in, indeed, before any of the facts were in, Moore was accused, tried, convicted, sentenced, and punished with mind-numbing speed. Republicans, without a single shred of evidence that ANY of the accusations against Moore were true, scrambled to get out in front of the mob calling for his head, preening self-righteously as they did so.

And so Moore was hung out to dry by a hit squad comprised of people on his own team who were supposed to have his back. When these accusations first surfaced, after lying dormant for 39 years and going utterly undetected through 5 different election campaigns, men of character would have said, at a minimum, “Yes, these are disturbing allegations, which is all the more reason to slow down and be sure we have all the facts before we come to any conclusions. Let’s all take the time first to examine the credibility of the accusations and the accusers. In America, everybody is entitled to the presumption of innocence until actual evidence convinces us otherwise. In America, everyone is entitled to the presumption of innocence in the court of public opinion as well as in a court of law. In fact, it’s even more important in the court of public opinion, since lobbying rhetorical grenades at a man’s character is virtually risk-free these days because of toothless laws on libel and slander. So let’s everybody take a deep breath and examine the evidence before drawing any conclusions.”

But alas, there was no Republican leader anywhere who uttered these words of reason and common sense. Instead, all we heard were the thundering hooves of a disgraceful stampede intent on trampling the unblemished reputation of a man who, over the course of his entire public life, has stood without wavering for principle, the word of God, natural marriage, and the Constitution at considerable cost to himself.

Republicans who had endorsed Moore raced to the nearest microphone to un-endorse. Sen. McConnell, to his everlasting shame, led the assassination squad. Susan Collins threatened to “overturn the will of the people” if Alabamians didn’t come to the correct pre-approved decision at the ballot box. It’s as if the GOP was saying, “If you want a senator, we’ll give him to you. Why? Because you’re too dumb and hickish to pick one yourself.” The contempt and condescension is both obvious and odious.

It made no difference to the madding crowd that only two of Moore’s accusers even charged him with sexual misconduct, and that their stories immediately began to fall completely apart upon closer examination. Beverly Nelson Young of yearbook fame admitted to forgery on national TV, and court records obliterated Leigh Corfman’s story. But Mitch’s mind was made up, and he didn’t want anyone confusing him with, you know, actual facts.

In all of this, the swamp dwellers in the Republican Party have covered themselves with disgrace and revealed themselves to be moral midgets with no sense of fairness, justice, loyalty, courage, or reason. Yes, the Moore election has revealed something about the character of the Republican Party, and what it has revealed is about as ugly as it can get. Shame, shame, shame on them all.

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Is patriotism now partisan?

Caiden Cowger

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Regardless of political affiliation, patriotism has always been a bipartisan characteristic shared by both republicans and democrats. Liberals in the mainstream media are defending Colin Kaepernick, along with many other members of the National Football League, after players refused to stand for the national anthem.

President Donald Trump called-out the NFL for condoning displays of anti-Americanism from their players.

“If NFL fans refuse to go to games until players stop disrespecting our Flag & Country, you will see change take place fast. Fire or suspend!” President Trump wrote on Twitter. On Friday, while at a rally in Alabama, the President expressed, “Wouldn’t you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, ‘Get that [SOB] off the field right now. Out. He’s fired. He’s fired!’”

Following the President’s remarks, rather than expressing remorse, the NFL slammed Trump and defended all players who disrespect Old Glory.

“The NFL and our players are at our best when we help create a sense of unity in our country and culture. There is no better example than the amazing response from our clubs and players to the terrible natural disasters we’ve experienced over the last month,” expressed NFL commissioner Roger Goodell. “Divisive comments like these demonstrate an unfortunate lack of respect for the NFL, our great game and all of our players, and a failure to understand the overwhelming force for good our clubs and players represent in our communities.”

The national anthem is supposed to be a symbolic event of bipartisan unification. How can you claim to be contributing to a sense of unity in our country and culture, when you are condoning players engaging in a divisive act under the National Football League brand?

Goodell has the audacity to attack the President for having “an unfortunate lack of respect for the NFL,” but defends his players unfortunate lack of respect for the United States of America. It is apparent that the NFL commissioner is an egotistical, hypocritical dunderhead. Respect for America is much more important than respect for a sport. Honorable men and women have fought and died to preserve this nation, and actively do so still to this day. Do they not deserve respect, Mr. Goodell?

Of course, liberal democrats have taken this as an opportunity to attack the President and unite with the NFL and their protests of the national anthem. They are chastising President Trump for expressing that players should be fired or suspended, claiming he is violating the right to freedom of speech.

When the co-founder of Firefox was forced to resign over his opinion in support of traditional marriage, liberals praised the “resignation disguised” firing. Why are they so quick to defend anti-American behavior from NFL players as being an act of freedom of speech? They are hypocrites.

These players are not expressing their anti-American vitriol on their own time and by their own means. They are using the NFL company and visual game distribution to promote their political agenda, while they are on the clock as active employees. They are pushing an anti-American message while they are on-duty at their workplace. They are using the NFL brand to promote their propaganda, and it is damaging the league’s reputation. The team owners of the NFL have every right to fire them.

When you are wearing the uniform of your employer, you are serving as an on-duty representative. When NFL players take a knee, refusing to honor the flag and this country, they are representing the position of the National Football League. These players have the constitutional right to disrespect our flag, but team owners also have the constitutional right to fire the players for misrepresenting their brand.

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HILLARY: Russia, Facebook, fake news, FBI, Voter IDs, sexism and Wikileaks to blame for loss.

Caiden Cowger

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Hillary Clinton is unable to cope with losing. In a recent interview with CBS, Hillary blamed the
following reasons for her election night loss: Comey, Russia, Facebook, fake news, voter
identification laws, sexism, misogyny and Wikileaks. It is important to point out, she did not
take any responsibility. It was everyone else’s fault.

“I went from 26 points ahead to 13 points ahead, and I needed about 18 points in order to be
sure to win Pennsylvania,” Clinton expressed, referencing the FBI’s re-opening of the email
investigation. “I watched how analysts who I have a great deal of respect for, like Nate Silver,
burrowed into all the data and said that ‘but for that Comey letter, she would have won.'”

“So it was very personal to me,” she continued, “I think my general election prospects were
badly damaged because of that, so that even though I was starting to come back, it was not
enough time to overcome it.”

She then began to place blame on former FBI Director James Comey for re-opening the
investigation of her 30,000 missing emails.

“But even though [Comey’s letter] was the primary blow to my campaign at the very end, it has
to be looked at in context, with the Russians weaponizing information, negative stories about
me; this whole Wikileaks beginning to leak in early October of John Podesta’s emails, which if
you read them all were, they’re pretty anodyne, but they were taken out of context; stories were
made up about them.”

Clinton then claimed Facebook was involved in an advertising scandal with the Russians,
working to undermine her campaign.

“We now know that Facebook was taking money from Russian companies to run negative stories
about me,” she stated. “If you look at all of this, yes, it affected me and my campaign. But I am
more concerned now going forward that we haven’t come to grips with what it means for future
elections.”

She also expressed that voter identification laws, which she labeled “voter suppression,” was
also responsible for her loss. This is the one real factor Clinton cited that makes sense, because if
people of such states were not required to provide identification, she probably would have won.
Corpses tend to vote democrat.

“I would also add that the voter suppression that we now know had been in the works and really
put into effect in a lot of states like Wisconsin and North Carolina, etc., played a role,” she said.
Clinton continued, claiming “sexism and misogyny, which are endemic to our society. And
certainly as I write in my chapter called ‘On Being a Woman in Politics,’ have to be factored in as
well.”

Hillary Clinton is completely delusional. In the CBS interview, she placed blame on 8 factors,
most of which had absolutely nothing to do with her loss. Rather than taking accountability, as a
captain honorably going down with her sinking ship (that was her campaign), she is blaming
everyone else for her failure to obtain the presidency. She is filled with arrogance, pride, and has
an inability to take responsibly for her actions.

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