Christianity

EVOLUTION = THE LIE

WRITTEN BY: GEORGE LUJACK

GENESIS 1:1:
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

THE LIE is that there is no God, the universe created itself from nothing, and then billions of years later life arose from non-life into the first self-sustaining, self-replicating life forms that later evolved into all the various kinds of life on planet Earth. This article will present the theory of evolution as scientifically impossible and as THE LIE that is spoken of in Scripture.

“The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.”
–Charles Baudelaire, 1864

Not quite so. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing many in the world that God doesn’t exist. Therefore, God did not create the heavens and the earth and all life on earth. Also, if God does not exist then neither does Satan or good and evil. Thus man can live without absolute moral laws.

There are 6-forms of ‘evolution,’ and of the six forms only one is scientifically observable and proven. The other 5-forms have never been observed to occur and are theoretical.

1. Cosmic Evolution (The Big Bang) – the origin of time, space and matter
2. Stellar and Planetary Evolution – the origin of stars and planets
3. Chemical Evolution – the origin of higher elements from hydrogen
4. Organic Evolution – the origin of life
5. Macro-Evolution – the changing of one kind (species) into another kind
6. Micro-Evolution – the variations within kinds (species)

Of all six forms of evolution only #6, microevolution, has been scientifically observed to occur. Microevolution defined is the evolutionary change (adaptation) within a species (kind) over a short period of time [1].

COSMIC EVOLUTION

Cosmic evolution theory proposes that absolutely nothing created the big bang. Updated variations of the big bang theory have given the universe a head start, namely, that matter always existed. The big bang theory proposes that a great cosmic explosion and the rapid expansion of matter, from a state of extremely high density and temperature, marked the origin of the universe.

“Of course it’s counterintuitive that you can get something from nothing. Of course common sense doesn’t allow you to get something from nothing. That’s why it’s interesting. It’s got to be interesting in order to give rise to the universe at all. SOMETHING pretty mysterious had to give rise to the origin of the universe.” … “Something can come from nothing.”
–Richard Dawkins, 2013

Richard Dawkins, atheist and evolutionary biologist, in his own words, attempts to redefine ‘nothing’ as ‘something.’

“Some intelligence may have created the universe, and all life upon it, but that something could not be God,”
-Richard Dawkins

To usurp the creation from the Creator, evolution ‘scientists’ have theorized that absolutely nothing created the universe, as absurd as that sounds. Furthermore, there may exist some intelligence responsible for the creation of the universe, and life within it, but that intelligence could not be God.

STELLAR AND PLANETARY EVOLUTION

Stellar and planetary evolution means that all the stars, planets, moons and other cosmic bodies and matter had to have evolved from absolutely nothing. Stellar evolution is the process by which a star undergoes a sequence of radical changes during its lifetime. Stellar evolution is not studied by observing the life of a single star, as most stellar changes occur too slowly to be detected, even over millennia. Astrophysicists theorize how stars evolve by observing numerous stars at various points in their lifetime, and by simulating stellar structure using computer models.

CHEMICAL EVOLUTION

Chemical evolution theory defined is the formation of complex organic molecules from simpler organic molecules through chemical reactions. Chemical evolution proposes that all of the elements on the periodic table must all have evolved from hydrogen.

ORGANIC EVOLUTION

Organic evolution is the sequence of events involved in the evolutionary development of a species. Organic evolution, or abiogenesis, is the explanation of how life got started from inorganic molecules. Organic evolution is theorized to have occurred during earth’s early history, in the oceans, as the first steps of the formation of life on the planet.

Evolution scientists, professing to be wise, often write long-winded, scientifically authoritative sounding columns in scientific journals about how chemical reactions cause elements to react that may have caused the first self-sustaining and self-replicating life forms to appear. It is scientifically observable that elements react to other elements, causing a chemical reaction, but to believe that chemical reactions can produce even the simplest of self-sustaining, self-replicating life forms requires belief and faith in the scientifically unobservable and inconceivably improbable.

MACROEVOLUTION

Macroevolution means major evolutionary changes and transitions from one kind of organism to another kind of organism over long periods of time.

There are no legitimate transitional fossils in the fossil record that show one kind (species) changing into another kind (species) of animal. Even Charles Darwin acknowledged this scientific truth.

“Not one change of species into another is on record … we cannot prove that a single species has been changed.”
-Charles Darwin, My Life & Letters.

“Lastly, looking not to any one time, but to all time, if my theory be true, numberless intermediate varieties, linking closely together all the species of the same group, must assuredly have existed.”
-Charles Darwin, Origin of Species, 1859

What Charles Darwin said and believed about evolution and the origin of species is irrelevant. Darwin was just a man with a theory who has been propped up in prominence as a great scientific mind by evolution advocates. Any person who understands and believes the Scriptural account of the creation has a better understanding of the origin of species than did Charles Darwin.

MICROEVOLUTION

Microevolution is defined as evolutionary change within a species over a short period of time. Microevolution is more aptly termed adaptation. Microevolution, or adaptation within a species, is observable and scientific.

Species adapt to environmental and physical changes. Environment and climate variations account for the 5-different types of bears that exist in the world. Bears that migrated north to the Arctic developed thicker coats of fur, whereas bears that migrated south into warmer climates developed thinner coats. A difference in coat thickness or coat color is not evidence of mutation or evolution, but of adaptation. Genes for thicker and thinner coats were already in the DNA encoding of the bears. No new information can enter the gene code of any species, allowing a bear to change into another kind of animal (macroevolution). All types of bears have a common ancestor: a bear.

Human beings adapt over the course of their lifetime. If a light-skinned man works or lies out in the sun, his exposed skin will pigment and darken. If a man lifts weights, his body will grow muscles to adapt. These changes are made possible by the DNA variations within the genes of human beings.

2 MAJOR SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCES AGAINST EVOLUTION

1. Life has never been observed to come from non-life.
2. There is no known observable process by which new genetic information can be added to the genetic code of an organism.

Evolution in the sense that life came from non-life and then that life began to randomly generate new genetic information and over time it eventually produced humans is something that doesn’t hold up against science. Molecules to man evolution (abiogenesis) is not scientifically possible and therefore should not be viewed as scientific fact. It is in great opposition to science; that is observational science. The kind of science we can test and repeat and use our 5-senses to understand. Science demonstrates that over time living organisms lose genetic information, they don’t gain it. Science also demonstrates that life doesn’t arise from non-life.

‘Simple life’ is a misnomer. Even the simplest forms of life: bacteria, are incredibly complex, far too complex to have arisen by chance.

PUNCTUATED EQUILIBRIUM

In order to account for the lack of evidence in the fossil record, of kinds changing into other kinds of life forms, evolutionists have come up with a new conjectured theory: punctuated equilibrium. Punctuated equilibrium is an evolution theory belief that proposes that instead of evolving very gradually over a long period of time, evolution happens in short bursts interspersed with much longer periods where virtually no evolutionary change occurs. Punctuated equilibrium would allow fish to acquire lungs and walk on land. Punctuated equilibrium solves the problem evolutionists have in that they have no evidence from the fossil record, but violates a law of science in that there is no known observable process by which new genetic information can be added to the genetic code of an organism. No new species of pig has ever been born with wings.

NATURA NON FACIT SALTUM … Latin for:
NATURE DOES NOT MAKE JUMPS

In his book, ‘The Origin of Species,’ Charles Darwin defended the principle of ‘natura non facit saltum,’ and acknowledging that species made gradual and minute changes over time, rather than sudden changes resulting in the rapid emergence of new kinds of life forms.

There is no scientific evidence at all to support punctuated equilibrium. The fossil record and laws of science do not support punctuated equilibrium. Nature does not make jumps.

SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF

Suspension of disbelief or willing suspension of disbelief is a term coined in 1817 by the poet and aesthetic philosopher Samuel Taylor Coleridge, who suggested that if a writer could infuse a “human interest and a semblance of truth” into a fantastic tale, the reader would suspend judgment concerning the implausibility of the narrative. Suspension of disbelief often applies to fictional works of the action, comedy, fantasy, and horror genres.

People suspend disbelief when watching a science fiction movie, such as the “Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles,” the “X-Men” movie series or the movie “Waterworld.” In these particular cinematic stories, beneficial mutations are added to turtles or man, and a major species change occurs. Turtles take on human qualities in “Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles,” human mutants take on new genetic material and become super-humans in “X-Men,” and Kevin Kosner acquires gills in “Waterworld.”

In the narrative ending in one of the X-Men series movies, the narrator stated that “Every few millennia or so, evolution explodes making great leaps.” An evolutionary deception to try to account for the lack of evidence of transitional fossils, in the fossil record, is to suggest that macroevolution change may have occurred suddenly in species without leaving transition fossils showing one species changing into another. This sudden evolutionary change theory breaks the laws of science by suddenly allowing an organism to drastically change without any means of attaining new DNA genetic code information to account for the change.

In the movie “Waterworld,” the character played by Kevin Kosner is a mutant, having developed gill slits behind his ears and he is capable of breathing underwater. This kind of mutation evolution is impossible, because gills are not genetically coded into the DNA of human beings. These kinds of mutations cannot gradually occur over time. Whales and dolphins breathe using lungs, which is how they were created. Whales and dolphins have not acquired gills, despite the fact that they spend all of their lives submerged in water, except when they surface to breathe.

People suspend disbelief when watching a science fiction movie, so that they can enjoy the show, yet evolution scientists have ever increasingly demanded that the public accept evolution science fiction (theory) as truth when presented in textbooks. They have banned opposing viewpoints and beliefs from being presented in education institutions, most notably the creation account of Genesis or the theory of intelligent design.

A frog transforms into a prince in storybooks and everyone knows this is a fairytale; a frog evolves into a human being in science biology textbooks and many willfully present this as a scientific fact or a plausible theory. Those who ardently believe, defend, and proclaim the theory of molecules to man evolution as a fact, when faced with the hard scientific truths that render evolution theory impossible, literally suspend disbelief and are under a strong delusion (2 Thessalonians 2:11).

FAITH IN EVOLUTION VS. FAITH IN GOD

Molecules to man evolution theory is a theory that requires faith above reason or blind faith. It is not plausible on the surface, so evolutionists add billions of years to account for evolutionary changes that are unobservable in science. Thus evolutionists have faith in time; that time can do the miraculous acts required of evolution that are unobservable in science.

A belief that God created the heavens, the Earth, and life requires faith also, but this is reasoned informed faith. Science itself disproves evolution, so to believe in cosmic evolution, and in molecules to man evolution, is illogical by observable, testable, scientific standards.

An argument often presented by evolution-believing atheists is that scientific progress and breakthroughs will cease if people continue to believe in God. This claim is utterly absurd as many of the world’s great inventors and scientists were believers in a Divine Being and Creator. These same inventors and scientists often proclaimed that the more they discovered, the deeper their faith in God became. Whether one believes in creationism or evolution is irrelevant. Scientific breakthroughs and discoveries do not depend on belief or disbelief in God, or belief or disbelief in evolution.

GOD CREATED CREATURES ACCORDING TO THEIR KINDS

GENESIS 1:24-25:
Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature ACCORDING TO ITS KIND: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each ACCORDING TO ITS KIND”; and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth ACCORDING TO ITS KIND, cattle ACCORDING TO ITS KIND, and everything that creeps on the earth ACCORDING TO ITS KIND. And God saw that it was good.

There are many believers who attempt to mix parts of the evolution account with their faith in God. Many compromise their faith, proclaiming that evolution was a means that God used to create life, and accept that the Genesis account of the creation of life was a mythical tale.

God, in retelling the Genesis account of the creation of life, seems to have taken into account that Satan would try to use evolution as a means to deceive people. Scripture is very clear and specific in proclaiming that God made life according to its kind, that life reproduces according to its kind, and that life did not evolve over time from one kind to another kind. In nature and in observable science we witness that kinds always reproduce after their kinds, just as Scripture states.

THE LIE OF EVOLUTION

THE LIE of evolution, in summation, is basically the theory of how the universe and everything in it came to be in existence, without God the Creator, and that the creation itself is the creator.

Evolution is THE LIE that evolved from the original lie told to Eve in the Garden of Eden.

GENESIS 3:1-5:
Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field that the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, “Has God indeed said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?” And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’” Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and YOU WILL BE LIKE GOD, knowing good and evil.”

The root of THE LIE of evolution is that you will evolve and transition into God; you will become like God; YOU WILL BE LIKE GOD.

ROMANS 1:22-25:
Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for THE LIE, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever.

2 THESSALONIANS 2:11-12:
And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe THE LIE, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Evolution science scholars “professing to be wise,” often cite their worldly education credentials and enlightenment, while belittling believers of the Genesis account of creation as ‘uneducated’ and ‘unsophisticated.’ Scripture proclaims that they “became fools,” because they have said in their heart that there is no God in favor of their evolution theory (Psalm 14:1). Under “strong delusion” evolution theorists “changed the glory” of God’s creation using illustrative drawings “like corruptible man,” drawings of man and images of man-like creatures transitioning from monkeys to man, that are fictional artist renderings.

Evolutionists ‘worship’ the creature rather than the Creator. They believe that life rose up from the elements and became the creature and that the creature, over time, evolved into all the various kinds of life on Earth, including man. They usurp glory away from God as the Creator and bestow it upon the creature. Evolutionists worship the creature, and not the Creator, in the sense that they believe that the creature created itself and that God did not create the creature.

Evolution theory is atheistic secular science’s attempt to explain the creation of the universe and the formation of life upon the Earth without a Creator.

Don’t believe THE LIE of evolution.

 

81 Comments

81 Comments

  1. Jimpithecus

    November 12, 2015 2:10 pm at 2:10 pm

    This post has, perhaps, the most misinformation about evolution that I have encountered in a very, very, long time.

    • George Lujack

      George Lujack

      November 12, 2015 6:15 pm at 6:15 pm

      Thanks for relaying that comment. I will edit and correct the piece if you would you care to share with me, specifically, exactly what “misinformation” about evolution theory is contained in the article?

      • Anonymous

        November 12, 2015 8:38 pm at 8:38 pm

        Ok, let’s start at YOUR beginning. How did Cain and Abel procreate? How did Noach collect all the protozoa without benefit of a microscope? Or species that didn’t exist in the Middle East (e.g., kangaroos, opossums, panthers)? If man and dinosaurs coexisted as you creationists would have one believe, were they too on the ark? If not, why? If so, why didn’t they survive? What is the biblical speed of light? Is it different from the current version of thecspeed of light? The distance between earth and far away objects from which we receive images in the form of light indicates a universe far older than your fairy tale version. And, while you’re at it, where’s the non-tautological proof of god? I’m sure that as a retired cop from NYC, you’re eminently qualified to answer all of the above. Dazzle us, please. Protip: cuz it say so in duh bibble gets zero points.

        • George Lujack

          George Lujack

          November 12, 2015 11:47 pm at 11:47 pm

          Cain slew Abel, so Abel died childless. It is uncertain how Cain found his wife, according to Scripture, but theoretically Adam and Eve had MANY children and he married one of his sisters. At the time, it would have been OK to do so.

          Noah did not need to gather all the protozoa, nor does Scripture record him doing so. The microscopic animals would have survived a global flood.

          After the flood, there was continental separation. Certain animals likely traveled and settled in different regions.

          Dinosaurs were on the ark – smaller ones (babies) to allow for placement.

          After the flood, there was dramatic climate change that did not benefit dinosaurs. Some may have in fact survived and may be wandering the African continent today.

          There is no ‘biblical’ speed of light. I am not one that proclaimed the speed of light has changed over the years.

          I am NOT a young earth creationist. You have incorrectly assumed that anyone who believes in God and the creation account of Genesis, believes in a young earth. The Scriptures declare and old earth, that was created “in the beginning” of time. That beginning was not 6,000-years ago. Life created upon planet earth, however, was created 6-000-years ago.

          I am far more than a retired cop; I am a blessed modern day scribe, infused with knowledge from God’s Spirit that most men will never realize until they meet God, and God has endowed me with the ability to articulate His truths.

          For a more in-depth explanation of all the above answers given, stay tuned for my upcoming fascinating articles being posted within the next 2-weeks:

          HOW OLD IS THE EARTH?
          and
          WHAT CAUSED THE EXTINCTION OF THE DINOSAURS?

          • Anonymous

            November 13, 2015 9:54 pm at 9:54 pm

            Great / Intelligent response Mr. Lujack !

        • David H.

          November 13, 2015 7:52 am at 7:52 am

          I am a young Earth creationist, and will answer your question on the Speed of light.
          It is called the variable speed of light theory. (Look it up). Biblically, When God said “let there be light”, this was instantaneous, an infinite speed of light, since time began at creation. It has slowed down since then in a bell curve, to the point that now it appears to be a constant, yet each time a more accurate measuring technique for the speed of light is devised that speed is found to be slightly slower. The implication for light years virtually proves the young earth.

          In the Bible, in Job chapter 40, there is a description of Leviathon which describes to a tee what would be a brontosaurus. In chapter 41, a description of a stegosaur with shields on his back. How could they know this if the fossil record was buried, and how could they know he was an Herbivore, and what their skin was like etc.?
          https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+40&version=ESV
          https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job%2041&version=ESV

          • Jay Clemons

            November 15, 2015 1:05 pm at 1:05 pm

            David,
            Your comment is profoundly ridiculous and unsupported by any modern scientific discipline. For starters, there is no “biblical speed of light”, at least because when the bible was written, there was no concept that light travelled at a speed! To assert that the “speed of light slowed down in a bell curve” is sheer fabrication, (it certainly is not mentioned in the bible) and grossly ignorant of the nature of light, and of a “bell curve”.
            “The implication for light years virtually proves the young earth.” Except that it does nothing of the sort without some fancy math that you are not showing us. In light of the completely overwhelming evidence for the age of the earth being something like 4.5 billion years, you should be ashamed of yourself for your making this stuff up. Evidence like petroleum; like all manner of dating techniques that converge on ages exceeding thousands of years; like sea shells in rock on the top of mountain ranges; and too much more to list here.
            And by the way, to claim that God’s description of the “behemoth” in Job 40 describes “to a tee what would be a brontosaurus” is just more vacant fabrication. Without any mention of a long neck? Please…..But, say; didn’t Job come after the big flood? So was the brontosaurus contemporary with humans? If so, shouldn’t we expect to see some other mention of such a “behemoth” (not Leviathan, by the way..) somewhere in the bible? Did you pay attention in any science classes you had in school?!

            • David H.

              November 16, 2015 7:16 pm at 7:16 pm

              That is the amazing thing about the Word of God, It precedes science and inspires science. Before DNA it was the bible that understood tat the seed came from man and the egg from woman. And that the individual was “knit together” in the womb, which is an amazingly accurate analogy to processes that occur in the DNA during conception.
              Here is a link for the Variable Speed of light theory so you can read up on it.
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_speed_of_light
              Did your teachers not teach you this theory?
              Why Not? because it throws the whole Old earth concept on its heels?
              I was a Straight A Student in science for the most part. Especially physics and Chemistry. Almost chose that as a career…. So I do have some idea of what I am talking about, though I am not a scientist (No PHD).

              3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. This is day one of the creation. This light was not the light of the sun and the moon, yet it differentiated the night from the day. In other words, with the creation of light, there came the creation of time. So the Bible does not mention “light speed”, then how is it that it knows that light precedes the creation of time? If there was no light there is no time and no way to measure time. Am I not correct? You will have to use your own mind to find the answer as your professors never discuss this….too philosophical for them.

              Instantaneous light is what God created. from that point on the time has deteriorated from that instantaneous moment. Why is it that whenever Nasa comes up with a new optical device for looking at the stars….ie. looking into the past, they have update their age of the universe? Because they never see Stars just popping up in their telescopes, and the light year distance forces them to add more years to the age of the universe. Why are we not seeing thousands of Supernova occurring all over the universe, if there are billions of stars, yet this is a rare occurance? Because The universe is not Old. Back when Hubble focused on dark patch of sky, where they thought nothing was, and they saw light there, they had to scramble to update their age of universe numbers.

              Let’s just do a little theoretical science here. If light was travelling at near instantaneous speeds at creation. At first it slowed quite rapidly, but then its rate of deceleration flattened out. This is a typical bell curve. I do not know how to bring up images here, but you would have X axis as the speed of light, and Y axis as time. With most of the deceleration occurring in the first weeks to years for the speed of light, and what we are able to measure now is a near constant rate, some 6000 years later. What does this mean when it comes to light years and the age of the universe? From our relative perspective, we would see all the light of the stars arriving here simultaneously. In other words, though the distance may be accurate for the Stars, The time element is severely shortened. That is why, when Hubble did its deep field pictures, they did not find empty space, but found stars and galaxies there. If Modern theory is right, then we would have seen stars just popping up out of nowhere all around us….Think about that, when was the last time you saw a star just pop up before your eyes where there was none? Certainly a distant supernova? But we do not observe that occurring so as our telescopes get stronger, we have to update the age of the universe….That is called covering over your errors.
              Light and time are interconnected. The Slower light speed gets, the more you are processing the past in your brain as the electrical signals in your brain travel at the speed of light. You cannot have time without light. This is very advanced science that they do not teach in the public universities. The fact that light is created before time is measured in the Bible speaks of the hand of the creator at work in creation and the writing of the book of Genesis….This is also why I cannot believe the Gap theory as the author of this article believes.
              Re: the dinosaurs. Did you read the links I posted from Job. This book predates the Flood of Noah, though it is found later in the Bible. It is even Older than Genesis, which was written by Moses via the Holy Spirit some 2500 years after the Creation. How then did Job know that these creatures, which can be no other creature but dinosaurs, be herbivores if the science was not discovered. And how about all the human and dinosaur footprints around the world in the same geological strata?? Explain that?
              http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wZH9_LxfneA/T9D3ZB8BU5I/AAAAAAAACZ4/-UZGpeI4BN8/s1600/37252_442092159514_2299204_n%5B1%5D.jpg
              God bless.

              • Jay Clemons

                November 18, 2015 9:59 am at 9:59 am

                Sorry David, but this is just another borderline incoherent word salad full of errors, misunderstandings, unsupported speculations and plain old nonsense.
                A sample list:
                DNA preceded the bible, not the other way around.
                The VSL “theory” is, shall we say, charitable, “out of the mainstream” (cannot be reconciled with the rest of physics, at least as you propound it..), and I did not see the term “bell curve” used in the Wiki article at all. Do you even know what a bell curve quantifies, and how distant that concept is from the speed of light? A “typical bell curve” is not shaped like you describe with “time on the y-axis and c on the x-axis.” In fact, with that coordinate structure, the deceleration you describe looks nothing like a “bell curve”, which is “two-sided” and relatively shallow. Please study up on your math, there..
                “You cannot have time without light.” Really?! Put a clock in a dark chamber for 6 hours. When you take the clock out, it will have progressed six hours; trust me.
                So Job lived before Noah? And all that “talking” that God did to Job happened before the flood? Really; is that your position? The “creatures” can easily be “other than dinosaurs”, such as crocodiles,or hippos..
                Since, in the bible, plants came before the sun (Genesis: third day vegetation, fourth day sun) the biblilcal sequence is obviously incorrect.
                And there are NO instances around the world; ZERO; of human and dinosaur footprints in the SAME geological substrate. Such a finding would be the “holy grail” of evolution deniers, and has never been found…Just the facts…

                • David H.

                  November 18, 2015 5:19 pm at 5:19 pm

                  You do not read and listen very carefully do you?
                  The fact that the Bible discusses the DNA before the discovery of science that there was such a thing is what I am referring to.
                  I Know what a bell curve looks like, hence the name bell curve…My point is that the speed of light is decelerating in such a way, where the majority of the decline occurred early on and that deceleration has flattened to where it is at today. I am sorry you are not smart enough to visualize this. So yes, it is the back half of a bell curve.
                  All of cosmic evolution is based on purely hypothetical research. I am merely hypothesizing an alternate way of looking at it that proves a young earth. This is called using your mind. Neither hypothesis can be proved without a doubt, since we are unable to observe the said events occurring. What we can see is that as technology allows us to see farther into the past, (Hubble etc.) science has to revise its age of the earth. That is because stars are not just Popping up out of nowhere, and they assume a constant speed of light. It is that assumption that I have taken away in what I am researching. So, VSL is not discussing deceleration of time, but that theory shows through observable science that light can be slowed down, and its speed manipulated thus adding support to my hypothetical. That is my point as well about light and time being interrelated. As an analogy here think of the interrelationship between energy and temperature. Without energy there is no such thing as temperature, as they are interrelated. Absolute zero is not quantifiable. Turning the lights off to clock is not what I am talking about, this is a cosmic interrelationship, similar to the Law of thermo dynamics or E=mc squared. Before Einstein, there was no known interrelation between Energy and mass. Even to this day, science does not fully understand the relationship between Gravity and entropy, yet there is one, common sense tells you there is, and the two forces are at a balanced state. Light is both a particle and a wave. Science still does not understand this fully. Cosmologically speaking, Light is the beginning of time. However many years ago you think this occurred. When there is an absence of cosmological light there is nothing. The heavens and earth were a without form, and void.(Genesis 1:1) To translate that using synonymns for the Hebrew words used therein, The heavens and the earth were NOTHINGNESS and EMPTINESS. And Nothingness and emptiness were obscured by darkness, which covered the before time waters, of the ABYSS. In other words, Before time, There was nothing, But a thought in the head of the creator to create the material world. Light is what brought about that creation. (Jesus said, he is the light of the world). Cosmological evolution says something comes from nothing, and illogical fallacy. I say, before light, there was nothing but the thought in the mind of the creator God. He spoke, and said let there be light, and time, matter, energy began. You are welcome to disagree of course, or ask the idiotic question “where did God come from?” But accepting that nothing produced something is just plain lunacy.
                  As I keep telling George here on this site, separating Genesis 1:1, and 1:2 is a grave error on his part. “Gap theory” as it is called says in fact that God created nothingness and emptiness. it is only when those two verses are together, that the creation makes sense. Instantaneous Light is the energy that sparked matter and time. Light is God’s spoken Word, which is also Jesus…”In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)
                  I Know you do not get into theology, But wish to point this out to other readers who might hold to The Gap theory.

                  • Steve T

                    November 20, 2015 12:19 pm at 12:19 pm

                    You are taught well, and no, Jay cannot listen. His replies are that of a child that does not fully understand the question. He is lost in the world. You would do better to pray for him and leave it at that.

                    Regardless, I enjoyed reading what you had to say, It was easy to see that you were educated on this matter.

                    • Jay Clemons

                      November 21, 2015 10:17 pm at 10:17 pm

                      Steve, you are WAY out of your depth intellectually here. “Lost in the world”?!?! Do you mean, actually values evidence and logic? Because I plead guilty to that. Are you perhaps aware that virtually the entire community of scientists, of all disciplines, consider evolution to be an established fact?! You can pray for me, but it will not change the FACT that humans and chimpanzees descended from a common ancestor. Look under your armpits (hair, like chimps) and count your teeth (32, like chimps), and contemplate the level of DNA similarity between humans and chimpanzees (>97%). What evidence can YOU contribute to invalidate evolution?!

                  • HomeSoon2

                    December 6, 2015 9:02 am at 9:02 am

                    Hello David H.
                    Surely you are well studied, and have great patience, thank you for such a tremendously mature answer, it set a wonderful example for me!! Real quick here, in regards to ”Since, in the bible, plants came before the sun (Genesis: third day vegetation, fourth day sun) the biblilcal sequence is obviously incorrect”. I thought like the Bible clearly states, “that God is light”, you know the verse, so relative to that, couldn’t the plants have survived, from His energy / light waves,
                    filling in for them, until the next verse, where He then created the sun, which is still burning for us into this stage of life on earth?
                    My calculations may be off, but the physical evidence available, doesn’t lead to a God of any errors, and I can only reason as a finite, when the Creator Himself, He is infinite!!
                    Keep up the good work, God bless you-

      • Jay Clemons

        November 12, 2015 8:59 pm at 8:59 pm

        Where do I even start to list, specifically, what misinformation about evolution is contained in the article?
        I could start with the fact that no creditable biologist makes a serious distinction between “micro-evolution” and “macro-evolution”. The process of descent with modification that produces speciation is observable over any time span you choose. Many species take longer to arise than any single human can witness, and so the evidence is not first-hand observation; it is pieced together from observations of extant species, fossil records, geological records, phylogenetic analysis, etc. The fact that there is no shortage of actual observations of speciation proves again that the evidence for evolution is as strong as for any theory in science.
        Furthermore, there are many “legitimate examples of transitional fossils” in the fossil record; such as Tiktaalik, Ambulocetus, Archaeopteryx, Australopithecus Afarensis, and many more. That these fossils actually exist and show “transitional” development is predicted and explained by evolution, NOT by the bible. In fact, the contributions of the bible to biological understanding are beyond useless, all the way to laughable. Evolution explains why kangaroos and koalas are only found in Australia. Noah’s Ark, notably, does not.
        Of course, biological evolution does not concern itself with “the creator”, nor yet explain how life got started; but it is a compelling explanation for all the observable phenomena in the living world. The fact that the theory does not yet explain how life got started on earth does not invalidate the accurate explanation that it does provide. You don’t have to know how the forest fire got started to believe the truth of the combustion of the biomass.
        “Science” does NOT demonstrate that “over time, organisms only lose genetic information, they don’t gain it.” On the contrary, various mechanisms operate to generate genetic complexity in certain organisms that survive and procreate. You are just echoing stuff you have heard from science deniers…
        Indeed, you seem to have made little effort to critically evaluate the evidence FOR evolution, and have no evident basis for your spurious “evidence” against evolution. That you would invest so much plausibility in talking snakes and fables about global floods is just embarrassing, seems to me. Good luck with that.

      • Tim

        November 15, 2015 3:30 am at 3:30 am

        There are many proven and well-known mechanisms for adding new information to the genome.
        Firstly, endogenous retroviruses. Yup, you can get an infection that may hit your sperm/egg cells and your offspring will have newly injected genomic information.

        Then there’s trisomies. If you’d heard of Down Syndrome, then you’d head of a trisomy. These mutations introduce entire chromosomes (not precise copies, however) — which are thousands of new genes.

        You can also have copy-number variants, point-insertions, robertsonian-translocations and the like.

  2. Kryptid

    November 12, 2015 11:47 pm at 11:47 pm

    Conflation, false dichotomy, and lots and lots of straw-men…

    • George Lujack

      George Lujack

      November 13, 2015 12:00 am at 12:00 am

      @Jay Clemons,
      Where do I even start to list, specifically, what misinformation about evolution is contained in the article?

      RESPONSE:
      After years of evolution science programming, you have become blind to the truth.
      ***************************************************************
      Jay Clemons:
      I could start with the fact that no creditable biologist makes a serious distinction between “micro-evolution” and “macro-evolution”.

      RESPONSE:
      You could start there, but that would be nothing but evolution propaganda. The fact that you believe there is no distinction only shows your ignorance. If I go to the gym and lift weights, my muscles will adapt and grow bigger and stronger. If I lay in the sun, my body will adapt and tan.

      If I flapped my arms from birth to death, from generation to generation – attempting to fly, my arms would never sprout feathers and become wings. If I spent my whole life in water, I would never acquire gills behind my ears, as Kevin Kosner did in ‘Waterworld.’

      I hope this clarifies the distinction between microevolution (which does occur) and macroevolution (which does not occur).
      ***************************************************************
      Jay Clemons:
      The process of descent with modification that produces speciation is observable over any time span you choose. Many species take longer to arise than any single human can witness, and so the evidence is not first-hand observation;

      RESPONSE:
      That which cannot be observed, but needs to be believed, is religious.
      You must have FAITH to believe in evolution.

      • Jay Clemons

        November 15, 2015 12:36 pm at 12:36 pm

        George,
        When you go to the gym and lift weights, your muscles do not “evolve”. Your comment reveals how completely you misunderstand the concept of evolution. You should educate yourself about the concept of evolution, and the overwhelming evidence for it, before so foolishly claiming it to be “A LIE”.
        “Micro-evolution” might be the proliferation of form seen in the “unnatural selection” of dog breeds. But “macro-evolution” is the fact that dogs (canis familiaris) and wolves (canis lupis) had a common ancestor. If you do not believe that dogs and wolves descended from a common ancestor, then you are not as smart as you look.
        “That which cannot be observed, but needs to be believed, is religious.” You cannot “observe” radio waves, but do you not listen to the radio?! Is that, then, particularly a “religious” behavior?! NO, not really. Another example: we know that the Himalayan mountain range was once at sea level. How do we know? Because near the top of the mountain range are rocks that contain sea shells! Unless you have some better explanation of how the sea shells got into the rock, you have to “have faith” that at some time, those rocks were below sea level. No one has “observed” the Himalayas rising to their current altitude; but no reasonable person can doubt that plate tectonics has pushed those mountains UP to their current position, based on all the observable evidence, including recent measurements of their uplift over time.
        Contrast evidence-based, scientifically investigated conclusions with your complete fabrications, based on NO evidence; such as “dinosaurs were on the ark – smaller ones (babies) to allow for placement.” Where is your evidence for that risible and MADE UP assertion?!
        Sorry, George; you are being extremely intellectually dishonest. Your readers deserve better….

        • George Lujack

          George Lujack

          November 16, 2015 7:39 pm at 7:39 pm

          @Jay Clemons:
          “Another example: we know that the Himalayan mountain range was once at sea level. How do we know? Because near the top of the mountain range are rocks that contain sea shells! Unless you have some better explanation of how the sea shells got into the rock, you have to “have faith” that at some time, those rocks were below sea level. No one has “observed” the Himalayas rising to their current altitude; but no reasonable person can doubt that plate tectonics has pushed those mountains UP to their current position, based on all the observable evidence, including recent measurements of their uplift over time.”

          RESPONSE:
          Yes, I have a better explanation than tectonic plates rising the Himalayan mountains from below sea level to their current height. About 4,500-years or so ago, there was the worldwide flood of Noah’s time. Fountains of the deep sprung up and bivalve and other sea creatures were deposited to the tops of mountain ranges, where they remained and fossilized. Many of these fossils are not just of shells, but of whole clams. That just does not happen in nature: whole clams fossilizing. A cataclysmic flood DISPLACED those clams and other sea creatures from their natural habitat and deposited them atop mountain ranges across the planet.
          No reasonable person can deny a worldwide flood deposited these whole intact creatures, including whales, atop mountain ranges on most mountain ranges in the world.

          • Jay Clemons

            November 20, 2015 9:45 am at 9:45 am

            This (flood) explanation that you give is not a “better” explanation; it is a much worse explanation. First, it ignores the proven fact of plate tectonics. Second, it doesn’t make any sense geologically, since the shells are not “deposited” on the “tops” of the mountain ranges, but are interspersed within sedimentary rocks (only, not in igneous strata at all..) as could be explained by a long, long process of burial undersea. Third, there were already people living in Asia, in Australia, in North and South America, etc, for a very long time before 4500 years ago, and yet they seem to have survived “the worldwide flood”, and never even heard about it. Fourth, if it rained an inch an hour for 960 hours, that would only be 80 feet of water. So any hill top over 80 feet high would not be under water, never mind mountain ranges tens of thousands of feet in altitude. Remember that water runs downhill, and doesn’t cover varied terrain to a uniform depth. Remember?
            This whole Noah’s flood thing is stupefyingly ridiculous. To actually use this myth to try to explain things scientifically is foolish in the extreme.

            • David H.

              November 21, 2015 10:26 am at 10:26 am

              Jay Clemmons,
              Here again is the error of uniformitarianism. Plate tectonics, which moves incrementally today (Cm’s per year) occurred rapidly shortly after the Flood.
              There is even a description of this in the geneology from Noah.

              25 To Eber were born two sons: the name of the one was Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided, (genesis 10:25)
              Funny how the Bible spoke of this thousands of years before modern science “Discovered” Plate tectonics.

              • Jay Clemons

                November 21, 2015 9:35 pm at 9:35 pm

                Clemons. One “m”. Do you always get even the smallest details wrong?!
                Here again is utter foolishness. If you are serious in your belief that “plate tectonics occurred rapidly shortly after the Flood”, how about providing some actual scientific evidence of that extremely dubious assertion. To assert that “for in his days the earth was divided” means that “plate tectonics occurred rapidly shortly after the Flood” is spectacularly creative. A reasonable person would not claim that those two phrases mean the same thing….
                But the evidence for evolution is multi-disciplinary, and not contradicted in the bible except for the most unreasonable, literal reading of the bible. Witness the many devout Christians who accept the truth of evolution, including the official position of the Catholic church, and such actual scientists as Francis Collins, Teilhard de Chardin, etc.
                You are on the wrong side of history. Time to get right with reality!

    • George Lujack

      George Lujack

      November 13, 2015 12:01 am at 12:01 am

      Chirping “straw man’ is no valid way to refute God and genuine science.

      • Kryptid

        November 14, 2015 2:11 pm at 2:11 pm

        Nor is it my intention to “refute God or genuine science”. I’m just stating the facts. Your article utilizes the straw-man fallacy. Repeatedly.

        • George Lujack

          George Lujack

          November 15, 2015 8:35 am at 8:35 am

          Can you elaborate?

          • Kryptid

            November 17, 2015 5:32 pm at 5:32 pm

            -Saying the evolutionary theory is atheistic when in fact it says nothing about the existence or non-existence of a deity.
            -Saying that evolutionary theory claims that we will evolve into gods some day.
            -Saying that abiogenesis is a part of/requirement for biological evolution. Whatever caused abiogenesis (if indeed it did happen) would have required processes very different from biological evolution. Biological evolution can also work with any mechanism capable of bringing life into existence, not just abiogenesis.
            -Saying that the Big Bang theory is somehow related to the biological theory of evolution. Both are independent models dealing with two very different things. If one was falsified it wouldn’t necessarily impact the validity of the other.
            -Saying that the Big Bang theory posits that we all came from nothing, when in fact it the cause of the Big Bang is still a mystery.

            • George Lujack

              George Lujack

              November 18, 2015 10:12 am at 10:12 am

              Kryptid:
              -Saying the evolutionary theory is atheistic when in fact it says nothing about the existence or non-existence of a deity.
              RESPONSE:
              Cosmic and Abiogenesis evolution theory begin with the premise that there is no God or Creator and attempts to explain the creation without a Creator.
              *******************************************************************
              Kryptid:
              -Saying that evolutionary theory claims that we will evolve into gods some day.
              RESPONSE:
              That is a philosophical logic-based conclusion. Scripture declares that evolutionists worship the creature, rather than the Creator, in the sense that they believe the creature created itself by rising from inorganic molecules and evolved into all the various kinds of life.
              *******************************************************************
              -Saying that the Big Bang theory posits that we all came from nothing, when in fact it the cause of the Big Bang is still a mystery.
              RESPONSE:
              Current Big Bang theorists posit that we came from nothing, and it is illogical and a “mystery” how nothing exploded and created everything.
              NO STRAW MAN HERE…

  3. Bob Green

    November 13, 2015 12:22 am at 12:22 am

    Let’s consider the big picture:

    For something to exist, laws are required. If God exists, then laws must exist to govern God’s actions, just as the laws of motion govern our actions. Laws allow things such as God and us to exist. Therefore the laws must come first – before God or us. These natural laws are eternal and beyond God’s ability to change.

    Assuming that God created the laws of nature is incorrect. For example, the area of a circle is Pi times the radius squared. This law is eternal. This law was not created. God cannot create or change this law. It just is. Can the will of God change the value of Pi from 3.14159… to be 2 or 4? Certainly not! Pi is a constant of nature that is beyond the control of God. It just is. Could God make the volume of a sphere other than (4/3)Pi times the radius cubed? Certainly not! Could God change the law of gravity that also depends on the properties of a sphere? Certainly not! Natural law has the upper hand over any God.

    What was the cause of our universe? The laws allowed our universe to exist – not God. Our universe results from the state of “nothing” being so UNSTABLE that it explodes into the Big Bang. The laws of Quantum Mechanics and Relativity show us how this explosion is triggered and how the tremendous acceleration from this explosion creates both matter and gravity in a way that does not violate the energy conservation laws. Google and download “The Origin of the Universe – Case Closed” for more on this. The laws show us that we have a universe of something rather than nothing because THE STATE OF NOTHING IS UNSTABLE. Top physicists (Hawking, Wilczek (noble prize), Stenger, etc.) also tell us that the state of nothing is unstable. The mountains, oceans, planets and galaxies are a result of nature seeking stability. Laws create the universe and any God is powerless over these laws.

    What about life? Was the universe fine-tuned for life? This is backwards. Life was fine-tuned for the universe by billions of years of evolution. A God is not necessary to explain our universe or life.

    When you look up at the stars at night, you are seeing the creative power of the natural laws.

  4. George Lujack

    George Lujack

    November 13, 2015 1:08 am at 1:08 am

    Bob Green:
    The laws show us that we have a universe of something rather than nothing because THE STATE OF NOTHING IS UNSTABLE.
    RESPONSE:
    The state of nothing is unstable huh? ‘Nothing’ is what most of the universe consists of. If you leave the atmosphere of earth and exit the spaceship, you embrace nothing. Nothing is stable, otherwise nothing would be constantly exploding. It doesn’t.
    **********************************
    Bob Green
    Let’s consider the big picture:
    For something to exist, laws are required. If God exists, then laws must exist to govern God’s actions, just as the laws of motion govern our actions. Laws allow things such as God and us to exist.

    RESPONSE:
    You’re assumption is wrong. God can live within the laws of His creation, but can also live and act outside of them. He is not bound by them.

  5. Nigel

    November 13, 2015 5:34 am at 5:34 am

    So creationism is meant to be an answer to “where did we come from”. All it does is replace this question with the much more difficult question “where did god come from”. Creationism achieves nothing.

    • David H.

      November 13, 2015 8:02 am at 8:02 am

      Nigel,
      Where did matter and energy come from? How did something come from nothing?
      Your question is illogical as God IS. He has no beginning or end. He exists apart from time and space. He is the creator of time and space, energy and matter….all those things evolutionists fail to comprehend. It is evolution that is the simpleton theory, and has been discredited as viable science by science itself, Yet because the existence of a creator God is unappealing to a sinful man he denies and suppresses the truth of the existence of God.

    • George Lujack

      George Lujack

      November 13, 2015 10:05 am at 10:05 am

      God did not come from anywhere. He always existed. Hard for us, the creation, to understand everything of the Creator.

  6. Graham Dull

    November 13, 2015 7:35 am at 7:35 am

    Biological Evolution
    A basic principle of evolution is this — the process of evolution is driven solely by simple, very insignificant, and small steps.
    As expected, the first life-form was incredibly simple.
    How simple is simple?

    Mycoplasma genitalium
    The smallest ‘known’ genome that can constitute a cell is Mycoplasma genitalium. It consists of 521 genes (482 protein encoding genes) within one circular chromosome of 582,970 base pairs.
    In the sphere of biology this is ‘incredibly simple’ – only 582,970 base pairs.
    Simple? Yes. Nevertheless, Mycoplasma genitalium has the ability to sustain itself and to reproduce.
    How would the first life-form compare? What elements would constitute its makeup?
    The first simple life would have consisted of a selection of the following elements — Boron (B), Calcium (Ca), Carbon (C), Chlorine (Cl), Chromium (Cr), Cobalt (Co), Copper (Cu), Germanium (Ge), Hydrogen (H), Iodine (I), Iron (Fe), Magnesium (Mg), Manganese (Mn), Nitrogen (N), Oxygen (O), Phosphorus (P), Potassium (K), Selenium (Se), Silica (Si), Sodium (Na), Sulphur (S), Zinc (Zn).
    These are the elements which are found within tissues, cells, and organisms — where all such elements are intricately arranged. Living creatures are built of this stuff.
    First life? In the first life-form, the required elements all spontaneously came together perfectly positioned and intricately arranged so as to provide the all-important chromosome.
    It was a spontaneous development. It was simple. It was perfect.
    The single remarkable thing about it was that it could reproduce itself.
    Evolution is simple. Life can only ever start with the simple, and with ongoing multiple simple steps it progresses to the complex.
    And what about cosmic evolution?

    Cosmic Evolution
    Sir Terry Pratchett stated it succinctly: “In the beginning there was nothing, and it exploded.”
    http://lifefromgod.com/

    • George Lujack

      George Lujack

      November 13, 2015 10:09 am at 10:09 am

      Nothing is nothing. Nothing has no substance and cannot explode. That is not science, but voodoo.

      2 MAJOR SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCES AGAINST EVOLUTION

      1. Life has never been observed to come from non-life.
      2. There is no known observable process by which new genetic information can be added to the genetic code of an organism.

      Simple life could not start on its own. Simple life cannot add genetic information to itself to become more advanced life.

  7. Graham Dull

    November 14, 2015 12:39 am at 12:39 am

    ORIGINS
    The origin of Evolution: “In the beginning there was nothing — and it exploded”
    .
    The origin of Creation: “In the beginning there was God.”
    .
    CHOICE
    Concerning the origin of all things, I accept the miraculous rather than the ridiculous.
    .
    http://lifefromgod.com/

  8. nigel

    November 14, 2015 12:55 am at 12:55 am

    Trouble is, David and George, you have zero evidence for the bunkum that you are spouting. I could just as easily say that the universe got excreted out of the arse of a giant ant, which has always existed. I Believe in this ant, so you just have to have faith and accept that.

    • David H.

      November 14, 2015 8:15 am at 8:15 am

      Nigel,
      Actually all of nature proves the existence of an intelligent creator. Right down to the irreducible complexity of the cell. Simple one celled life is not so simple as to form by chance.
      Even DNA at its heart is information. information does not begin from nothing, but rather from a source, The Author of that information.
      Evolutionism was foretold of in the Bible. It is a form of idolotry which has replaced creation as a thing to be worshipped over the Creator God. Though the evidence of creation is plain to your common sense, You suppress this truth. This is vital for you to understand. Despite all the evidence produced by science to debunk evolution, it is still pushed to the uninformed as substitute for the Creator God. Evolution is the simpleton explanation to suppress the Truth of the existence of the Creator God as proved by observation of Nature and its complexity .All your teachers and Profs have been lying to you, and you are Naïve enough to believe it.

  9. Chuck Anziulewicz

    November 14, 2015 2:36 pm at 2:36 pm

    Dear Mr. Lujack:

    You know nothing about science. Your claims are the inverse of science. You start with an assumption (i.e. God did it just like the Bible describes), then you come up with nutty theories to support your assumption. Anything that does NOT support your assumption can simply be dismissed as part of an elaborate Satanic deception.

    • David H.

      November 15, 2015 1:11 am at 1:11 am

      And you as an atheist begin with the assumption that there is no God. Yet again Chuck, you have no moral basis to stand upon, and be outraged, because you have no moral authority to back you up. You are just stardust, here today, and gone tomorrow…..(dramatic pause) Or then God is real, and Hell fire and eternal torment and gnashing of teeth awaits you.

      • George Lujack

        George Lujack

        November 15, 2015 3:26 am at 3:26 am

        I disagree with the doctrine of eternal torment for unrepentant sinners. Otherwise I agree with your comments David H.
        Unrepentant sinners, and unbelievers, will experience the second death. The results of the second death are eternal. There will be no more chances after one is judged to hell and the second death. As they are waiting for the second death judgement, those sentenced will be gnashing their teeth.
        I just had a debate with a Baptist minister, who called me a heretic for proclaiming SDA and JW doctrine: soul sleep and the second death, instead of eternal torment. I am not SDA or JW. The fact that these cults are correct about something only proves that a broken clock is right twice a day.
        I informed said minister that the Scriptures in Revelation and elsewhere speak of the second death, which would mean cessation of life and not eternal torment.
        REVELATION 21:8:
        But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.
        I also warned said minister that to call me a “heretic” for proclaiming biblical truth, (assuming I am right), amounts to him being a reviler.
        Revilers will not inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).
        The barbaric Roman Catholic Church of the Dark Middle Ages first branded people heretics, then arrested them in Inquisitions, then tortured and killed truthful Scripture-believing persons, that rebuked the false teachings of the Catholic Church.
        That is where reviling (branding people heretics) can lead to.

        • David H.

          November 15, 2015 8:48 am at 8:48 am

          I Will stick to the words of the Word of God, Jesus, instead of leaning on my own understanding or the teachings of men.
          And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into HELL FIRE. (Matthew 18:9)
          Sheol, in the Old testament is the pit, or the grave. The Lake of fire is a place of eternal torment. When revelation 20:14 states: “And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.” This is an Eternal punishment for rejecting the Son of God and his Free gift. What does it mean to you that death was cast into the lake of fire?
          “Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING fire, prepared for the devil and his angels”: Matthew 25:41
          It does not say everlasting death, it says everlasting fire, and verse 46 of that chapter says everlasting punishment.

          Gap theory is also something I disagree with you on. It opens the door to the assension of the Nephillim, to bring in the Luciferian religion to the world stage. I do not want to get into this here and now, but will just say that there is a danger there.

          You are a messianic. Many messianics share the following misunderstanding with the SDA. That the Blood of Jesus Atones (Covers over) our sins. A lot of the works oriented teachings stemming from the messianics and Hebrew roots teachers comes from this misunderstanding. The Blood of Jesus is a reconciliation for our sins. They are taken away all together, and not covered over. We as believers are not judged by the Law, which is of the flesh, but we are judged by the Fruit of the Spirit we produce. (Read John 15 here)
          ” Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.” (John 15:2-4)
          Are you following the Law of flesh and blood of the Old covenant, or are you producing the fruit of the Spirit of the new covenant? As Paul wrote in Galations 5;
          But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: AGAINST SUCH THERE IS NO LAW. (Gal. 5:22-23)

          So I disagree with your teaching on a number of things. So in love have attempted to correct you on them. (No hostility here, only His words). We are instructed to rebuke those who depart from the Word. This is not reviling another person, it is the loving thing to do. How you respond speaks to the character of who you are. Even when confronting Mormons or SDA or Atheists on this site it is done in all love, with the goal of sharing the Gospel with them. Am I right on the said topics? That is between you and the Lord to decide. May He “teach you to do his will” (Psalm 143:10)
          God bless

          • George Lujack

            George Lujack

            November 16, 2015 2:14 am at 2:14 am

            David H.:
            Sheol, in the Old testament is the pit, or the grave. The Lake of fire is a place of eternal torment. When revelation 20:14 states: “And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.” This is an Eternal punishment for rejecting the Son of God and his Free gift. What does it mean to you that death was cast into the lake of fire?
            “Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING fire, prepared for the devil and his angels”: Matthew 25:41
            It does not say everlasting death, it says everlasting fire, and verse 46 of that chapter says everlasting punishment.

            RESPONSE:
            “And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the SECOND DEATH.”

            It says second death, not eternal torment. You have inserted your tradition-based pre-belief onto Scripture.

            Unrepentant humans sinners will die the second death in the eternal fire. Humans will be thrown in there and die (the second death). The fire will burn forever though as Satan and his angels will not die.

            This is my OPINION as to why. I believe that Satan and the fallen angels were already granted eternal life by God. Afterward, they sinned and rebelled against His rule. Here is the problem. God is a God of His word. He cannot go back on it. If He promised the angels and demons eternal life, then He must imprison them forever for their rebellion, since He already promised them eternal life. Again, this is my theory. Scripture does not confirm or deny the eternal life status of Satan, only it does say he will not die the second death. Human unrepentant sinners will die the second death. Death is the cessation of life. When we die the first death, that is the body. The second death is the spirit destroyed in hell.
            Scripture is clear on this:
            MATTHEW 10:28:
            And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

            Jesus said he can kill (meaning death) both body AND soul.

            REVELATION 21:8:
            But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the SECOND DEATH.”

            Death means cessation of life. It does NOT mean eternal living torment.

            The results of the second death are eternal… There will be no more chances or resurrections of those who die the second death.
            Satan will be kept alive in hell and so will the beast and false prophet. They will not receive the second death. Their punishment is different and does not include a second death.
            REVELATION 20:10:
            The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
            ************************************************************************************
            David H,:
            Gap theory is also something I disagree with you on. It opens the door to the assension of the Nephillim, to bring in the Luciferian religion to the world stage. I do not want to get into this here and now, but will just say that there is a danger there.

            RESPONSE:
            Not really, if you listen to Scripture. One shouldn’t be afraid to say the earth is old, because then it opens the door for evolution, or Nephilim, or Satan’s reign on earth. If the earth is old, and that is the Scripture truth, then the Scripture truth needs to be declared without fear. We do not need to cover for God. Many proponents of a gap theory have come up with a Luciferian age with the dinosaurs. I reject that outright, but I do believe in the gap of generations of time. I will post “How Old is the Earth” soon here.
            I will say this now…
            If there was no gap, then God stating this would be absurd:
            GENESIS 1:1-2:
            In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. AND THE EARTH WAS WITHOUT FORM AND VOID…

            If God just created the earth, well of course it was void (of life) and without form (to sustain life).
            I do not believe that this is what was said here. I believe God was saying, In the beginning of matter, space, and time God created the earth. And (when God revisited earth generations of time later) it was without form to sustain life and void of life.
            GENESIS 2:4:
            These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in THE DAY that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens…

            God made the heavens and the earth in a day (not 6-days), which was a day to Him, which would be about 1,000-years. THEN, generations of time of the heavens and the earth pass, and God returned to earth. Then God measured 6-earth days in which He formed the earth to sustain life and created life upon it.

            That, my friend, is what Scripture says. These “generations” are generations of time for the heavens and earth, NOT generations of Adam to Noah, then Noah to today.
            ***************************************************************************
            David H.:
            You are a messianic. Many messianics share the following misunderstanding with the SDA. That the Blood of Jesus Atones (Covers over) our sins. A lot of the works oriented teachings stemming from the messianics and Hebrew roots teachers comes from this misunderstanding. The Blood of Jesus is a reconciliation for our sins. They are taken away all together, and not covered over. We as believers are not judged by the Law, which is of the flesh.

            RESPONSE:
            I see no great distinctive difference between “covers our sins,” and “reconciliation – sins taken away.” But if you wish to use Scripture:
            PSALM 32:1:
            Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
            JOHN 1:29:
            The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
            *****************************************************************************
            We as believers are not judged by the Law, which is of the flesh, but we are judged by the Fruit of the Spirit we produce.

            RESPONSE:

            ROMANS 2:12:
            For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law.

            If you know the law, you will be judged by the law STILL. Yes Jesus covers our sins, BUT the lawless will not be able to enter His kingdom. All have broken the law and no one would be able to enter His kingdom if that were all to the story. Those who do not strive to live lawfully (in this age) will be turned away as lawless in the age to come).

            MATTHEW 7:21-23:
            Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. MANY will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS!’

            It will not be law-abiding Messianics, but lawless Christians that will hear those words from Jesus. Christians that did many wondrous things in His name, but lived lawlessly. They will be judged as lawless. Christians that strive to do God’s will, will NOT be judged by the law, but will receive grace.

            As for the fruit of the Spirit we produce, these are good works that we will be judged by.

            *Note: This judging I am speaking of is not just whether you can enter the kingdom or not, but this judgement entails where we will be placed in His kingdom.
            REVELATION 20:12:
            And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS, by the things which were written in the books.

            We do not have salvation through our works. That would be wrong and no man can boast of that. We have salvation through Christ. We will be judged though, according to works we do. One could be accepted in heaven as a worthless servant and one may be a great servant. That is the judgement we receive for our works, NOT salvation judgement. There will be “great” people in heaven and “least” people in heaven. That is what works judgement is about…

            MATTHEW 5:19:
            Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, SHALL BE CALLED LEAST in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, HE SHALL BE CALLED GREAT in the kingdom of heaven.

            Shalom and God bless David H.

            • David H.

              November 16, 2015 7:26 pm at 7:26 pm

              George,
              Good response. I will get back to you on the other two topics when I have more time tonight, For now, read my comment to Jay above on the Variable speed of light. In that comment I have the reason for why Gap theory is flawed, because there is no time without light, as light and time are connected. It is more of a philosophical argument, but one that science is just beginning to grasp, and its implications. Einstein tied the Speed of light to mass and energy, but he saw light as a constant. That I why he failed to fully explain gravity, and how gravity and entropy remain balanced out…Too much gravity and we implode, too little and we explode…Just think about that for a while as you read genesis 1:1, and the “earth was without form and void…” There could be no form to earth without light, which virtually nullifies the concept of the Gap theory.

            • David H.

              November 16, 2015 11:42 pm at 11:42 pm

              George,
              Re: Hell.
              46 And these shall go away into EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT: but the righteous into life eternal. (Matthew 25:46)
              You cannot take this verse out of this discussion, as it says what it says, and draws a comparison between everlasting punishment, and eternal life. (The same word is used for both of these words, aiōnios, Meaning Without beginning or end, or in this case without end, never to cease, Strong’s G166)

              There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. (Luke 13:28) Here we see Jesus discussing with the Pharisees who were his contemporaries, That though they are eating and drinking with him here and now, they will visually witness the forefathers and the prophets in the Kingdom with him, and they will be weeping and gnashing their teeth. But if they are dead (no longer exist), as you claim, how is it that they can see and or weep? The Pharisees fit the definition of “unrepentant” to a tee.
              Re: Matthew 10:28 You need to read the context of this verse. This is a discussion on whom you should fear. Now Also notice the word is not kill but destroy. Satan and his followers can kill the body, but not the soul, But it does not use the same word kill for describing what the Lord does to the body and soul. It says “…destroy both soul and body in hell.” If the verse did not have “In hell” there, your argument would hold water, but it clearly says destruction has a place, and that is hell. It is called the second death in revelation because there is no resurrection possible from it. Man is made of body, soul, and spirit. Our body dying is the first death. Our soul dying is the second death. This is an idiom for eternal punishment or the loss of one’s soul. So this verse in context is saying that Satan and his followers can kill the body, but not the soul, But God can destroy both the body and the soul IN HELL. The Word used in the Greek has a meaning of being lost in hell. Hell here is not just the grave, but a place where we Lose our soul. The Second death….
              The Antichrist, and the false prophet are cast into the lake of fire, and Satan joins them there after the millennium is over. The Antichrist and the false Prophet are demon possessed men. Is that their just punishment just to be burned up in the fire, and cease to exist? Look closely at the following verse:
              Rev. 21:10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and THEY will be tormented day and night FOREVER and EVER. Are these two Men getting a different punishment than all other unrepentant men????? Or are more coming to join them? 15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. (Rev. 21:15)…
              And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that NEVER shall be quenched: (Mark 9:43)…. I could go on here, but will cease for now.

              I will get back with you on the Law, but for now, will say that you quote some verses way out of context, such as Romans 2:12, which is Paul explaining the difference between gentiles who did not have the law, and Jews who had the law, before Jesus came and died for sins. The meat of the Gospel comes in Romans 8, which I will quote here briefly for you.
              There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. 3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6 For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. 7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot. 8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

              In this passage, you will see the difference between reconciliation and atonement. Atonement covers the sin, reconciliation “cleans the slate” Pays the debt in full. When it is just atonement, the guilt and shame remain, and the burden is heavy. When we rest in him, abide in the vine, we are free from the burden. People with a heavy burden and chain are easy to control, A free man is not, hence the propensity for cults to use this as a control mechanism.

              If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. John 8:36

              • George Lujack

                George Lujack

                November 17, 2015 2:15 pm at 2:15 pm

                David H:
                George,
                Re: Hell.
                46 And these shall go away into EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT: but the righteous into life eternal. (Matthew 25:46)
                You cannot take this verse out of this discussion, as it says what it says, and draws a comparison between everlasting punishment, and eternal life.
                RESPONSE:
                I am NOT taking this verse out of any discussion, but you are taking the “second death” out of the discussion.
                When you have what may appear to be a contradiction, or a choice to make, concerning doctrinal truth, the wrong thing to do is pick one side and disregard the other. So, Scripture declares that there will be an “everlasting punishment,” or a “second death.”
                Your ERROR is that you choose everlasting punishment.
                Here is the truth…
                The second death IS the everlasting punishment. The second death is the punishment and the results of the second death are everlasting.
                EZEKIEL 18:4:
                The soul who sins shall die.
                ***************************************************************
                David H:
                There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. (Luke 13:28)
                RESPONSE:
                Yes, those thrust out from the kingdom will be gnashing there teeth as they await their death sentence. They will not be gnashing their teeth for eternity, as you ASSUME, but will be gnashing their teeth and weeping as they await their eternal punishment: the second death.
                ***************************************************************
                David H:
                Satan and his followers can kill the body, but not the soul, But it does not use the same word kill for describing what the Lord does to the body and soul. It says “…destroy both soul and body in hell.” If the verse did not have “In hell” there, your argument would hold water, but it clearly says destruction has a place, and that is hell. It is called the second death in revelation because there is no resurrection possible from it.
                RESPONSE:
                You are redefining “destroy” and “death.” The second death sentence will be carried out in hell. Believers will be thrown into hell and die the second death. If “in hell” were omitted from those verses is irrelevant; Scripture just states where the second death will occur.
                ***************************************************************
                David H:
                Rev. 21:10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and THEY will be tormented day and night FOREVER and EVER. Are these two Men getting a different punishment than all other unrepentant men????? Or are more coming to join them? 15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. (Rev. 21:15)…
                RESPONSE:
                Yes, the beast and the false prophet will receive a different punishment: eternal torment, than the common unrepentant sinner, who will die the second death. That is what Scripture actually says, but you are assuming that this cannot be so.
                Well, the beast and the Antichrist are perhaps the greatest human being sinners of all time, and perhaps there is another component as to why they will not be punished with the second death, as other human sinners are.
                ***************************************************************
                David H:
                Our soul dying is the second death. This is an idiom for eternal punishment or the loss of one’s soul.
                RESPONSE:
                Again, you are saying that Scripture is speaking of the second death metaphorically and not death literally. I disagree with that assumption. It would not be correct to say believers go to eternal life, and unrepentant sinners to the second death. In all cases, unrepentant sinners would have to go to eternal life torment. Eternal life…; the opposite of which is eternal death, which is the second death.
                I reiterate:
                When you have what may appear to be a contradiction, or a choice to make, concerning doctrinal truth, the wrong thing to do is pick one side and disregard the other. So, Scripture declares that there will be an “everlasting punishment,” which is the “second death.”
                Your ERROR is that you choose everlasting punishment over the second death.
                Here is the truth…
                The second death IS the everlasting punishment. The second death is the punishment and the results of the second death are everlasting.
                EZEKIEL 18:4:
                The soul who sins shall die.

                • David H.

                  November 17, 2015 10:12 pm at 10:12 pm

                  George,
                  I am going to quote some words that are hard for you to hear, and this in no way is meant to demean you or berate you. They are indicative of an overarching problem in the churches. They must be spoken and heard.
                  I do not think it matters how many arguments to the contrary that I offer you here regarding hell, that I will change your mind. But I do see a problem with your views that shows an air of compromise which is disturbing. The following are the words of A.W. Tozer.

                  “In our day, churches are trying to offer such a compromise between heaven and hell. Some Pastors feel this is the way to ‘get along’ with people and to improve the church’s Public relations. Honestly, Our Lord would have flunked any such test on public relations. People would not have given Him a grade of 30 percent. He would have flunked the whole thing because He was completely in the area of Truth, and Truth is just Truth- it never has to worry about its image. Truth never has to worry about the effect it will have, about who is going to hate it or who is going to accept it. It never worries about what there is to lose and what there is to gain.”
                  [Faith beyond Reason, Pages 87-88]

                  All your positions here are an attempt at compromise, and attempt to get along, whether that is Gap theory or the reduction of Hell to a mere “eternal death” or nonexistence. Even your position on the Law is a compromise to get along with Jew and Gentile.
                  For me, Knowing that you are a supporter of Donald Trump, a man who is not afraid to speak the truth politically, It is quite disturbing that you do not have this same attitude regarding your Faith in Christ Jesus. If there were no hell, why would the concept even be brought up by Jesus in his teachings? Was he lying to his followers? You then say that I should not take a one sided position in my debates when faced with a contradiction. I see no contradiction in the teaching of Jesus and the Revelation given to John. The Second death is an idiom for eternal punishment. Death was thrown into the lake of fire. That means there is no more death. And there is no compromise on the existence of hell. Many who are church members will also be thrown into the fire for not bearing fruit. Compromise does not bear fruit, because it does not abide in the vine, who is Jesus, Who is the “way the truth and the life”. Jesus himself was not afraid to speak the truth no matter how ugly it was.
                  Hell is not a popular concept. You are not going to make friends saying they are going to hell, and into eternal punishment, Where there is no quenching of thirst. But it is the Truth as spoken by the “Word of God” in his time on earth. There is no compromise, there is only acceptance or rejection of His Truth. The Only way to avoid this is to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
                  It is time for you to take a stand, however unpopular it may be, and start to bear the fruit of the Spirit, and not the bad fruit of compromise.
                  “Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
                  And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”(John 8:31-32)

                  • George Lujack

                    George Lujack

                    November 18, 2015 6:23 am at 6:23 am

                    David H:
                    All your positions here are an attempt at compromise, and attempt to get along, whether that is Gap theory or the reduction of Hell to a mere “eternal death” or nonexistence. Even your position on the Law is a compromise to get along with Jew and Gentile.

                    RESPONSE:
                    WRONG.
                    Concerning my Messianic-Christian TRUE faith, I will hold you to the words of your Jesus Christ, that you claim to be an expert of, and ask, was He lying?

                    JOHN 4:22:
                    You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews.

                    I do not go along to get along. Quite the contrary. Many Christians do not like what my positions are and many Messianics disagree also.

                    I do not believe in the gap theory, in that there was an age of Satan ruling over planet earth, but I do believe in the gap between IN THE BEGINNING and day-1 of creation week.
                    Scripture declares that God created the heavens and the earth in a single day (One God day = 1,000 years). Was He lying? Scripture also speaks of the generations of the heavens and the earth. These generations are not generations from Adam to Noah, then Noah to modern man. These are the GENERATIONS OF TIME that passed from the original creation of the heavens and the earth, until the 6-day creation week, where God formed planet earth to sustain life and created life upon it. Is God lying?

                    GENESIS 2:4 (KJV):
                    These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, IN THE DAY that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens…

                    These are the generations (OF TIME)… NEXT VERSE IN CONTEXT:
                    GENESIS 2:5:
                    And every plant of the field BEFORE it was in the earth, and every herb of the field BEFORE it grew…

                    These generations occurred BEFORE there was any plants.
                    I do NOT compromise, I dig DEEP for the Scripture truth.
                    **********************************************************
                    David H:
                    If there were no hell, why would the concept even be brought up by Jesus in his teachings? Was he lying to his followers?

                    RESPONSE:
                    I never once stated that there was no hell. There is a hell. People that are condemned will be thrown into hell and die the second death. You compromise with truth in favor of the traditional teachings on hell by proclaiming the second death does not mean “death,” but is a metaphor for “eternal torment.”
                    Satan, the false prophet, and the beast will be in this place called hell, for all eternity, suffering eternal torment. The rest of humanity will go to hell and be executed in the second death. That is what Scripture actually states, without compromise.

                    Sometimes two well-intended believers will just have to agree to disagree. You believe the second “death” for unrepentant sinners cast into hell is a metaphor for eternal torment; and I do not. I believe death means death, the cessation of life, the second time, for unrepentant sinners thrown into hell. So that is where we stand unresolved. Some of these doctrinal discussions between the faithful will not be resolved until we meet our Creator and are correctly informed on all things.
                    It is then (or perhaps sooner) that you will know that I am a great modern day prophet and scribe of the end times and am right on these matters 😉
                    ***
                    ONE FURTHER THOUGHT…
                    I think we would both agree that God is a God of great mercy. If that is so, it would be more merciful for God to judge the unrepentant sinners to a second death, rather than keep them alive in eternal torment.

                    • David H.

                      November 18, 2015 5:41 pm at 5:41 pm

                      Prophet??? A compromised prophet perhaps, definitely delusional though. 🙂
                      And I am Albert Einstein………:)

                      Re: Gap theory that you hold to.
                      Is there a gap between Genesis 13: 1and 2? Because linguistically this is identical to the genesis 1 text in sentence construct.
                      Also read my latest comment to Jay above as I mention you there as well.
                      It is kind of ironic how all these topics are tied together, Hell, the Law, and creation….All tied together by the light of the world, and the Word of God.
                      Even Elijah was wrong for fearing for his life and running into the wilderness to hide from Jezebel, So you are not above being wrong in your theories.
                      10 these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. 13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.
                      ( 1 Cor. 2)

  10. Graham Dull

    November 14, 2015 4:35 pm at 4:35 pm

    “For every house is built by someone, but God is the builder of everything.” Hebrews 3:4
    Though many may not see it, the Bible appeals to reason.
    .
    Is it reasonable to ask the following question?
    Does every house have a builder? YES or NO!
    http://lifefromgod.com/its-no-accident/

  11. George Lujack

    George Lujack

    November 19, 2015 12:42 am at 12:42 am

    David H:
    Re: Gap theory that you hold to.
    Is there a gap between Genesis 1:1and 2? Because linguistically this is identical to the genesis 1 text in sentence construct.

    RESPONSE:
    Yes there is a gap of GENERATIONS of time.
    Have you not read the KJV Bible about it?:
    GENESIS 2:4-5:
    These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew…

    There were generations of time that passed from the creation of the heavens and the earth, to the first plant growing on the earth.

    Be honest, Scripture declares this to be so…

    • David H.

      November 19, 2015 7:45 am at 7:45 am

      Again, My question was about genesis 13: 1and 2. There is no gap between these verses.and the text is identical in structure to Genesis 1:1-3.
      The verses you quote from Genesis 2 are an introduction to the next few chapters which describe the creation of man to His decendants and Noah in chapter 6. You are placing a meaning on these verses that is not there to fit your theory.

      • George Lujack

        George Lujack

        November 19, 2015 8:32 am at 8:32 am

        David H:
        Again, My question was about genesis 1: 1and 2. There is no gap between these verses.and the text is identical in structure to Genesis 1:1-3.

        RESPONSE:
        I would disagree with that assessment…
        IN THE BEGINNING does not indicate the start of day-1 of God’s 6-day creation week. IN THE BEGINNING represents a significant span of time before day-1. After the original creation IN THE BEGINNING and after the end of each day of the creation week, the start of each new creation day begins with the phrase, “Then God said…”

        “IN THE BEGINNING (not day-1) God created the heavens and the earth” (Genesis 1:1).

        Day-1 STARTS: “Then God said…” (Gen. 1:3), Day-1 ENDS (Gen. 1:5).
        Day-2 STARTS: “Then God said…” (Gen. 1:6), Day-2 ENDS (Gen. 1:8).
        Day-3 STARTS: “Then God said…” (Gen. 1:9), Day-3 ENDS (Gen. 1:13).
        Day-4 STARTS: “Then God said…” (Gen. 1:14), Day-4 ENDS (Gen. 1:19).
        Day-5 STARTS: “Then God said…” (Gen. 1:20), Day-5 ENDS (Gen. 1:23).
        Day-6 STARTS: “Then God said…” (Gen. 1:24), DAY-6 ENDS (Gen. 1:31).

        It would be inconsistent for God to start day-1 of creation week with the phrase, “IN THE BEGINNING,” and start all the other days of the week with the phrase, “Then God said…”
        *************************************************************************************
        David H:
        The verses you quote from Genesis 2 are an introduction to the next few chapters which describe the creation of man to His decendants and Noah in chapter 6. You are placing a meaning on these verses that is not there to fit your theory.

        RESPONSE:
        That is simply NOT true and you are placing your 6,000-year-old earth belief upon these verses.
        GENESIS 2:4 (KJV):
        THESE ARE THE GENERATIONS OF THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens…

        *NOTE: These are NOT the generations of Adam to Noah of Genesis 6, but the generations of time of the heavens and the earth, before God ever planted anything on earth…
        GENESIS 2:4-5 (NKJV):
        This is the history* of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, BEFORE ANY PLANT OF THE FIELD WAS IN THE EARTH AND BEFORE ANY HERB OF THE FIELD HAD GROWN.
        *(generations KJV).

        You can believe the earth and the universe is 6,000-years old if you wish to, but science AND Scripture does not support that conclusion. Genesis 2:4-5 states that the heavens and the earth had a history, that spanned generations of time, before God ever planted anything upon the earth.

        • David H.

          November 19, 2015 6:55 pm at 6:55 pm

          George,
          Have you read my comments to Jay above? It is impossible for there to be a gap there, because in essence you are saying that God created Nothingness and emptiness. These are the synonymns of the words without form, and void.
          The ONLY way this makes sense, is when verse 1 is tied to The first day of creation.
          NOTHINGNESS, or without form, and Emptiness or void point to the fact that the act of creation began when God said “Let there be light”. Verse 1 is nothing more than an introductory statement. God Spoke and creation occurred. Creation was by his Word.
          Now look at John 1
          1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
          This clearly places Jesus, the Light of the World at the very beginning with God during creation, not billions of years later. Think about that.
          This is what the Lord told me to ask you. Why? Why would you not want Jesus there at creation, the Light of the world? Nor the Holy Spirit, who is shown hovering over the face of the Abyss? Why is this so important to you to define. He gave me the Answer, and it is more than compromise. It is an attempt at an intellectual assent. To create proselytes to follow you. It is a sad situation that many church leaders are falling victim to as well. Their desire to ascend, and be a go between, between God and man. To be seen as leader rather than a servant.
          He also told me to tell you to read Philipians 2, the whole chapter. I do not know why, perhaps he will speak to you through those words, if you have ears to hear?
          Do Not harden your heart to Him.
          God bless.

          • George Lujack

            George Lujack

            November 20, 2015 12:54 am at 12:54 am

            David H:
            It is impossible for there to be a gap there, because in essence you are saying that God created Nothingness and emptiness. These are the synonyms of the words without form, and void.
            RESPONSE:
            Let me get this straight… You are saying that the earth did not exist, when God said it was without form and void?
            Here is a better explanation:
            GENESIS 1:1-2:
            IN THE BEGINNING God created the heavens and the earth. The earth WAS without form [TO SUSTAIN LIFE], and void [OF LIFE].
            The earth WAS. It EXISTED. It was not in a state of nothingness, for then God could not declare that the earth “was.”
            **************************************************************************
            David H.:
            This clearly places Jesus, the Light of the World at the very beginning with God during creation, not billions of years later. Think about that.
            RESPONSE:
            It clearly places Jesus with God, before the world existed, IN THE BEGINNING when Jesus and the father created the heavens and the earth, generations of time ago, BEFORE THE WORLD WAS formed for life and before life was created on the earth.
            The Father and Son reigned over the cosmos, then generations of time later they returned to earth to form it and create life upon it during those 6-days.
            JOHN 17:5:
            And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.*
            *The world was created IN THE BEGINNING, so there was no time before the world existed. Jesus was referring to BEFORE THE WORLD WAS formed for life and life was created upon earth. Jesus was referring to the glory He had reigning the cosmos with the Father before the 6-day creation week.
            And their are other world(s) out there…
            HEBREWS 1:2:
            His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds.
            HEBREWS 11:3:
            By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God.
            **************************************************************************
            David H.:
            This is what the Lord told me to ask you. Why? Why would you not want Jesus there at creation, the Light of the world?
            RESPONSE:
            I never ONCE proclaimed Jesus was not there at creation. Please quote me if something I said confused you to believe that.
            Those who claim Jesus is personally speaking to them… have lost the argument. Jesus does not overturn Scripture, He confirms it.
            If you are hearing voices in your head, that claim to be Jesus, I would advise you to heed the warning of the Apostle Paul:
            GALATIANS 1:8-9:
            Even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
            You cannot use “Jesus told me” as a basis for argument in a theological discussion. I could return with, “Well Jesus told me He was reigning with the Father for 13.267-billion-years before day-1 of creation week,” but that would not be honest.

            • David H.

              November 20, 2015 6:58 am at 6:58 am

              It’s never been about winning the argument with me. It is all about giving glory to God. Too many pride themselves in their own intellect. Their own understanding. If the understanding is coming from your own intellect then it is not from God Hence the quote from 2 Corinthians 2 above.
              Read Proverbs 3:5-6 You should be familiar with these verses.
              It is all about trusting him, and his word, and not one compromised by the intellect.
              God bless

              • George Lujack

                George Lujack

                November 20, 2015 9:54 am at 9:54 am

                I do trust in his word. What makes you think that I do not? Conventional creationist Christianity says the universe is 6,000-years-old, but I do not necessarily trust in man’s understanding of Scripture. I must confirm it on my own. After having examined some of the topics we have discussed here, I am not in conflict. I do not trust my own intellect over Him. I believe my own intellect revealed these truths about Him. I am not “leaning upon my own understanding,” or leaning on conventional wisdom, but instead am leaning upon what I believe are His truths as I believe I have revealed and articulated them from Scripture. Believers will just sometimes have to agree to disagree on topics from time to time.
                Shalom and God bless.

                • David H.

                  November 20, 2015 11:22 pm at 11:22 pm

                  George,
                  Read the following article by A.W. Tozer. There is a longer version of this out there, but this will give you a brief summary.
                  http://www.cmalliance.org/devotions/tozer?id=1506
                  It does not matter how strong my argument, or how inspired my writing is to a person that has made up their mind, whether they be an atheist, or a Mormon, or what have you. All are indicative of a mind unable to receive the word of a brother, a correction or a rebuke. They have hardened their hearts.
                  You make several glaring errors in your last comment, and allow me to pick this one apart with no ill will towards you.
                  QUOTE: ” I believe my own intellect revealed these truths about Him.”
                  No, that is not how the Lord works. It is only when you come to Him in weakness that He reveals the Truth. This is the big difference between Human intuition, and Godly Wisdom. Human intuition can deceive, and come across as Spiritual revelation. The Epiphany, Or the “Aha” moment, are not The Holy Spirit. teaching you. They are natural (Carnal) processes of the mind. They are the will of man as opposed to the will of God. Many times they are full of good intentions, but produce bad fruit. Many a church leader has fallen victim to good intentions that have led to grave errors.
                  QUOTE: ” …what I believe are His truths as I believe I have revealed and articulated them from Scripture.”
                  Again, It is not our mind that should be revealing things to us, But the Holy Spirit.
                  When it comes to other believers, We are to test the spirits. If they fail, we are to reject their teaching, But if they pass that test, we are to receive those teachings. There is a Greek word that explains this concept the best. “Choreo”. It is translated as receive but has a meaning of “making room” for, and or “keeping a place for the thing to be received”. This is a supreme act of humility in that it does not automatically reject a persons teachings because they do not fit your current interpretation. On the prophecy sites that I visit, the rapture is a hot button topic. But I have received pre, and mid tribulation teaching regarding this, even the oft maligned “preterrist” makes some valid points, which I have “made room” for in my mind, and they each add to the big picture of God’s end time workings. All those scholars who think they have Him figured out will be confounded, because like you, they are relying on their own mind to teach and reveal things to them, rather than turning to the Holy Spirit to teach them.
                  Go again to my comments to Jay again, and what I wrote about light. instead of dismissing what I wrote there because it does not fit your understanding, Make room for it. There is something there which is beyond the grasp of my mind….A mystery, waiting to be discovered. I Used to be an ardent Pre tribber. But I tested the Spirits, and found them to be from God that were teaching me mid trib rapture, and preterism, and by receiving them, without dismissing my pre trib brothers, I have learned tremendously….The glass has become a little less dim, to use Paul’s analogy.
                  Just so you know, I do not belong to a church, so I am not defending the doctrines of any one church. I defend the concept of Hell, not because some church taught it, but because Jesus taught it, and an Eternal light must always shine in the presence of darkness. Those in hell, will forever see the Light of Life, but those in heaven will be unaware of the “outer darkness”.
                  Also, Because I speak of freedom from the Law, and the Law fulfilled, does not mean that I preach lawlessness. Lawlessness is the absence of Law. We are free from the condemnation of the Law, because Jesus has “Taken away” our sins, and paid the price in full for them. When we learn to rest from OUR works, and Have Faith in HIS work, is when the Holy Spirit will begin to sanctify our hearts (Doctrine of progressive sanctification) Think of it this way. “….and every branch that DOES bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit.” (John 15:2)
                  God bless

                  • George Lujack

                    George Lujack

                    November 21, 2015 12:37 am at 12:37 am

                    David H:
                    QUOTE: ” I believe my own intellect revealed these truths about Him.”
                    No, that is not how the Lord works. It is only when you come to Him in weakness that He reveals the Truth.

                    RESPONSE:
                    Scripture / verse for that belief?
                    I know in humbleness we come to Him, not with pride.
                    A CLARIFICATION…
                    “I believe my own intellect [GIVEN TO ME BY GOD] revealed these truths about Him.”
                    MATTHEW 16:15-17:
                    Yeshua (Jesus) said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
                    Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
                    Yeshua (Jesus) answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, BUT MY FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN.*
                    ***
                    *So… any wisdom I possess, or intellect, has been given to me by God the Father in heaven as well.
                    I can either use my intellect and wisdom to discern Scripture and articulate the discoveries I make, and the truths I find, and the falsehoods that I expose, or not. I am not above correction. I have been wrong on issues in the past.
                    I remember one time I had written a lengthy article concerning God’s dietary commands, concerning not eating meat and dairy together, only to have to delete the whole thing after I read someone else’s correct interpretation on the subject. *(We can eat meat and dairy together. This doctrine of Judaism is wrong).
                    I must have spent a week writing that report, and I was in error, so… my intellect and wisdom [on their own] are not perfect. Often I listen to different viewpoints to hear all sides on a doctrinal subject, so as to make the most informed decisions concerning it.
                    ***
                    2 TIMOTHY 3:16-17:
                    All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
                    ***
                    And when I did not have wisdom, I did pray to God for wisdom, which I still do. I pray that I always accurately present AND ARTICULATE His word, which is the gift He has bestowed upon me. Which is why I do have a very large following of believers who have testified directly to me that I have changed their previous beliefs to the truth.
                    JAMES 1:4-5:
                    But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing. If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him.
                    *******************************************************
                    David H:
                    QUOTE: ” …what I believe are His truths as I believe I have revealed and articulated them from Scripture.”
                    Again, It is not our mind that should be revealing things to us, But the Holy Spirit.
                    RESPONSE:
                    Once again apply James 1:4-5. God has made me wise. “I” believe what I write are His truths [FROM THE WISDOM HE HAS GIVEN TO ME]. Don’t get hung up on me saying “I.” I know all things come from God, and all wisdom. “I” by myself am nothing, but “I” with His knowledge and wisdom is what I infer. I may brag a little, but that is just good natured humor between believers who are in disagreement over a Scripture topic.
                    And again apply Galatians 1:6-9: Do not believe every spirit, but test the spirit against the word of God.
                    The Apostle Paul was NOT outright believed. He was tested against Scripture, to see if what He was saying was true.
                    ACTS 17:11:
                    These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things [THAT PAUL SPOKE OF] were so.
                    Shalom…

                    • David H.

                      November 21, 2015 11:31 am at 11:31 am

                      You asked for scripture for the first point, please read the first four chapters of 1 Corinthians. Please read the whole context, but here is a snippet.
                      21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. 22 For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. (1 Cor. 1:21-24)
                      It is not through Wisdom that we come to Know God, but by faith in what appears as foolishness to the world.

                      Also:
                      Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ’s sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong. (2 Cor. 12:10)
                      This applies to wisdom as well. When the world is mocking you, and appear to be winning the argument, And you are at your lowest, the Holy Spirit will speak through you. My evidence for this is experiential. Up until the comment I wrote on Light above to Jay, I had never fully grasped the concept of Light at the creation. Thanks to you, and Jay, There is profound wisdom there, which is not from me but from the Holy Spirit, which you have yet to fully Grasp. I Do not know what Jay’s view is on it, Though it has appeared to shut him up? The fact that this ties together to all we have been debating here including eternal hell fire for the unrepentant is astounding….Though I Know this true I cannot fully defend what HE is showing me regarding this.

                      I will give you one verse that will explain things a bit better.
                      8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.” (John 3:8)
                      When You are led by the Spirit in what you write, it is not you that is in control, but the Holy Spirit. We sometimes need to “turn off” our mind and have the mind of Christ control us. (1 Cor. 2:16)
                      Again, Please take the time to read those first 4 chapters in 1 Cor. Let The Holy Spirit teach you. Then you will learn things that you have never even thought of.
                      God bless.
                      P.S. I do appreciate your forthright humility in the above response. I Just do not want you to get comfortable with your own understanding. Its easy to build a stronghold around your understanding which prevents you from maturing in Christ Jesus. Not to say you are immature, but rather as someone who has built these strongholds in the past only to be knocked off my pedestal. My calling now lies in taking down strongholds….(2 Corinthians 10:1-6)
                      Shalom.

  12. David H.

    November 19, 2015 8:15 pm at 8:15 pm

    To all the evangelicals supporting Ben Carson, Here is the Smoking Gun on his support for RFID Chips, and the Mark of the Beast. I Have been looking for this for some time, and had to theorize that this was the case. Now we have Carson in his own words.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS4PIoRujeE

    • George Lujack

      George Lujack

      November 20, 2015 12:56 am at 12:56 am

      Excellent find. ^ Will share! ^

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  15. just

    December 11, 2015 6:26 pm at 6:26 pm

    David H.
    but we are judged by the Fruit of the Spirit we produce.

    Who is producing fruit in this thread?
    not this person:

    David H.

    “You do not read and listen very carefully do you?”

    “you are Naïve enough to believe it.”

    “Hell fire and eternal torment and gnashing of teeth awaits you.”

    “This is what the Lord told me to ask you.”

    “He gave me the Answer”

    “He also told me to tell you to read Philipians 2”

    Just who is that lord who talks to a bad mouth person

    • David H.

      December 11, 2015 7:47 pm at 7:47 pm

      Just,
      Mighty judgmental comment on your part, isn’t it?

      The Spirit is bearing fruit in you as we speak, hence your antagonistic response. That is because there are only two reactions to the Truth, either to receive it, or to suppress it. This was True when Jesus was here on earth as a man, and is true today when he is “God with us” (Immanuel) There is no compromise of the Truth.

      Jesus is the way the TRUTH and the Life.
      Whoever heeds instruction is on the path to life,
      but he who rejects reproof leads others astray. (Proverbs 10:17)

  16. just

    December 12, 2015 6:01 pm at 6:01 pm

    ^^^
    I maintain that “the” Lord does not talk – give insight to one who has the bad fruit of bad mouthing others, because they say something diffrently to you.

    • David H.

      December 12, 2015 7:58 pm at 7:58 pm

      Just,

      And now, go, write it before them on a tablet
      and inscribe it in a book,
      that it may be for the time to come
      as a witness forever.[b]
      9 For they are a rebellious people,
      lying children,
      children unwilling to hear
      the instruction of the Lord;
      10 who say to the seers, “Do not see,”
      and to the prophets, “Do not prophesy to us what is right;
      speak to us smooth things,
      prophesy illusions,
      11 leave the way, turn aside from the path,
      let us hear no more about the Holy One of Israel.”
      12 Therefore thus says the Holy One of Israel,
      “Because you despise this word
      and trust in oppression and perverseness
      and rely on them,
      13 therefore this iniquity shall be to you
      like a breach in a high wall, bulging out, and about to collapse,
      whose breaking comes suddenly, in an instant;
      14 and its breaking is like that of a potter’s vessel
      that is smashed so ruthlessly
      that among its fragments not a shard is found
      with which to take fire from the hearth,
      or to dip up water out of the cistern.”
      15 For thus said the Lord God, the Holy One of Israel,
      “In returning[c] and rest you shall be saved;
      in quietness and in trust shall be your strength.”
      But you were unwilling, …..
      (Isaiah 30:8-15)

      Unlike the churches of today, I will not prophecy illusions and speak smooth things to People.
      Jesus said to the Pharisees, “You are of your father the devil.” Not exactly a polite thing to say is it? Take the time to read John 8, or Matthew 23.

      Jesus is the Lord. (I Cor. 12:3)

  17. just

    December 12, 2015 11:49 pm at 11:49 pm

    I just pointed out your bad fruit

    Quote David H.:

    “You do not read and listen very carefully do you?”

    “you are Naïve enough to believe it.”

    “Hell fire and eternal torment and gnashing of teeth awaits you.”

    ********************

    and your delusions of grandeur:

    Quote David H.:

    “This is what the Lord told me to ask you.”

    “He gave me the Answer”

    “He also told me to tell you to read Philipians 2”

    But instead of admitting you could have been better
    you continue to rant.

    This is another persons blog,
    you shouldn’t be dishonoring him in this way.

    • George Lujack

      George Lujack

      December 13, 2015 3:47 am at 3:47 am

      @ just
      I agree with you that David H. makes the unsubstantiated claim the the Lord or the Spirit talks exclusively to him, therefore we should disregard our discernment of Scripture and mindlessly follow David H. (because he is God’s messenger).
      This is an absurd statement on the surface and even more absurd if we are to accept the premise to disregard Scripture or our discernment and understanding of Scripture and cede our understanding to David H., because he claims the Lord or the Spirit has told him the truth.

  18. just

    December 13, 2015 4:22 am at 4:22 am

    Yes George, he is on par with false prophets IMO

    quote David H:
    “This is what the Lord told me to ask you.”
    “He gave me the Answer”
    “He also told me to tell you to read Philipians 2”

    • David H.

      December 13, 2015 8:32 am at 8:32 am

      Oh, now you have an ally on your side George.
      Actually, He is just a shill hiding behind a pseudonym, But you would not understand that, would you? Notice, I have several commenting above as well, which I ignored, that agreed with me.

      As for my delusions of Grandeur…. I write what He gives me to write (See my testimony and calling)…. I am nothing more than a servant who seeks to give Him the glory He rightly deserves. I have no website, no donate buttons, no desire for glory or fame….Only to do the will of God. I Do not want followers, instead I point them to the cross in repentance as I have done with you. I Am nothing more than a believer with the Holy Spirit speaking through me.

      Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. (John 16:13)

      BTW, I am quite Familiar with the spirit that is in “Just”. I Have encountered him before, and will say to him, May the Lord Jesus rebuke you.

      I gave him one of the tests of the Spirit in proclaiming that Jesus is the Lord. I even gave him the verse in which that test is found. Instead he continued in his mocking. But he is not mocking me, but rather the one who is in me. It is not I who live, but Christ who lives in me.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3_mVOMIJMU

  19. just

    December 13, 2015 4:25 pm at 4:25 pm

    No, I’m not mocking my Lord Jesus Christ

    your false accusations shows the spirit in you, the spirit of that great accuser

    • David H.

      December 14, 2015 7:22 am at 7:22 am

      just
      can you say Jesus is The Lord?

  20. just

    December 13, 2015 4:43 pm at 4:43 pm

    quote David H:
    I write what He gives me to write

    ***************

    be honest, the Holy Spirit is not nasty like what you write

    **************

    quote David H:
    But you would not understand that, would you?

    *************

    You have been dishonest nasty and accusing to those who disagree with you
    the spirit in you shows to all but yourself.

    • David H.

      December 14, 2015 7:44 am at 7:44 am

      I was Just sent this link about the “Kinder gentler Christianity” you espouse. It describes what you are saying to a tee, and is very similar to what George is preaching as well….I suggest you read it….
      http://adam4d.com/mtd/

      Or George…is that you?
      While you are at your accusation against me, accuse Jesus as well because he was pretty nasty as well….Please read.
      https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+23&version=ESV

  21. just

    December 13, 2015 4:52 pm at 4:52 pm

    Post your email address if you want to continue with your accusing
    and I will accommodate you there, stop trolling this blog.

    • David H.

      December 14, 2015 7:46 am at 7:46 am

      As soon as you post your real name and stop hiding behind a pseudonym.

      • just

        December 14, 2015 5:07 pm at 5:07 pm

        David H. my real name is John W.

        now do as you said you will, and post your email address,
        and I will then reply to your above questions, and all else you want to say.

      • just

        December 16, 2015 4:30 pm at 4:30 pm

        David H. claiming to talk and write for Jesus
        cannot even tell the truth.

        And of course no one having the Holy Spirit would say “Jesus was pretty nasty as well”
        Jesus was just, Jesus was righteous, but with your throwing scriptures at people because they say different, is nasty.

  22. just

    December 16, 2015 5:43 pm at 5:43 pm

    Being saved is not just claiming Jesus is your Lord,
    it’s mainly about doing what He say’s to do.

    Jesus does not say to lie, liars don’t enter the Kingdom of Heaven,
    liars are put alongside murderers, as those who will not enter.

    Mat_7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; *******but he that doeth the will of my Father******* who is in heaven.
    Mat_7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works?
    Mat_25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
    Luk_6:46 *******And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?*******

    Rev_21:8 But for the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, *******and all liars,******* their part shall be in the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

    A Spirit born Christian neither lies nor calls Jesus “nasty”

    You are greatly deceived.

  23. George Lujack

    George Lujack

    January 1, 2016 11:45 pm at 11:45 pm

    just @ David H.
    No, I’m not mocking my Lord Jesus Christ
    your false accusations shows the spirit in you, the spirit of that great accuser…
    Quote David H.:
    “You do not read and listen very carefully do you?”
    “you are Naïve enough to believe it.”
    “Hell fire and eternal torment and gnashing of teeth awaits you.”

    RESPONSE:
    Just, or John W., does have a point here.
    You, David H., believe we are wrong about the age of the earth and other doctrinal issues discussed here. You David H. believe that the Holy Spirit speaks truth exclusively to you.
    You David H. are acting in the manner of the Roman Catholic Church during the Dark Middle Ages in accusing people of differing with your opinions as being worthy of hellfire and gnashing of teeth.
    First, you are wrong about the age of the earth, so that is problem #1 with you David H and if you truly believe the earth and universe to be around 6,000-years-old, then you are going to be in for a major correction when God reveals the true age of the earth and universe to you.
    Second, and more problematic, is that you are being a REVILER to those who disagree with your opinion and you are bearing false witness against the Spirit, who has not revealed truth to you.
    Knowing the age of the earth is not a salvation issue, so there is no need to call people heretics or that they will be burning in hell and gnashing their teeth if they get the age wrong.
    Revilers will not inherit the kingdom of heaven, and I am not reviling you here… I am warning and rebuking you to stop reviling others.
    1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10:
    Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, NOR REVILERS, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

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